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To: Rodney King; Huck
He was not Marandized, according to witnesses.
18 posted on 10/15/2002 5:57:20 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Kindly show me the Constitutional requirement to be Mirandized. Kindly do NOT refer to penumbras and emanations.
19 posted on 10/15/2002 6:00:46 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: madfly
He was not Marandized, according to witnesses.

Witnesses under oath, or just someone saying something to someone? But let's say it's true. This occurred after he had landed himself in court regarding his driver's license, etc. Are we saying that this grand constitutional question for which this anarchist biker-for-Jesus is peforming a hunger strike is the reading of the Miranda warning?

That is pretty hysterical, when one considers that among conservatives, the Miranda decision is considered to be a fine example of liberal judicial activism and legislating from the bench.

20 posted on 10/15/2002 6:04:31 AM PDT by Huck
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To: madfly
Looks like Ray met the Gastons. Gastons advised the Christines who are, incidently, serving hard time.

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27 posted on 10/15/2002 6:28:46 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: madfly
He was not Marandized, according to witnesses.

If true, then his attorney will bring this out at trial, his words will be suppressed, and the prosecutor will try to convict him without the words. Maybe he can still be convicted without the words, maybe he can't. The absence of a Miranda warning does not mean the prosecutor is prohibited from using other evidence.

The absence of a Miranda warning in and of itself is not a Consitutional violation. There is nothing in the Constitution that says you must receive a Miranda warning. Its purpose is to ensure an interviewee has made a knowing and voluntary waiver of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination before his words can be used as evidence.

In requiring a Miranda warning, the Supreme Court assumes, by legislative fiat, that everyone is bone-dead stupid and uninformed about the Fifth Amendment without inquiring into whether this is actually the case. Arguably a more rational approach would be to inquire into whether the interviewee was at the time of the ihe interview already aware of his right against self-incrimination. If he was, a two-minute mini-course on the Constitution by the police shouldn't be required, should it?

This guy, being a former police officer and "Constitutional expert" and all, clearly understood before he ever opened his mouth that he had a Fifth Amendment right to keep it shut. Whining that he was essentially "mugged" by the police because he wasn't informed of his Fifth Amendment rights is the kind of complaint only someone utterly ignorant of Miranda and the Fifth Amendment could make. But the Supreme Court will allow him to make it. And so it goes.

And then there is the small historical point that the Fifth Amendment was originally designed only as a brake on federal power--not state power, and was made applicable to the states by judicial fiat via the 14th Amendment in the 1960s by a liberal SCOTUS. I can live with the decision. It does more good than harm. I just find it amusing that the "original intent" fanatics here are so quick to claim Miranda as holy writ. They apparently know nothing about Miranda and how it came to be.

It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant so many of our self-proclaimed "Constituional experts" on these threads actually are.

41 posted on 10/15/2002 7:13:12 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: madfly
Here is the best thing. I know that in Kentucky, you are not required to be Mirandized at time of arrest for a misdemeanor offense. You must only be Mirandized before you are questioned. This is definitely a misdemeanor, as contempt derives from the original charge, which in this case was a traffic offense, and therefore (at least here) no Miranda warning would be required. There is no requirement in the US Constitution for Miranda Warnings anyway. Just another case of the Supreme Court overstepping its bounds and writing law instead of interpreting it.
44 posted on 10/15/2002 7:23:49 AM PDT by RonKY
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To: madfly
There is no legal requirement that he be "Mirandized" -- and since he is a retired police officer, the court can reasonably presume that he is aware of the rights contained in that warning.
159 posted on 10/15/2002 2:17:22 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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