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Jagger Says First Stones Songs Were 'Crap'
IOL ^ | 10-13-2002

Posted on 10/13/2002 5:06:31 PM PDT by blam

Jagger says first Stones songs were 'crap'

October 13 2002 at 05:35PM

Mick and Keef: "Nobody has been scumbag rockers like us and lived to tell the tale." Photo: AP

London - The first songs penned by Rolling Stones Mick Jagger and Keith Richard were so sentimental they were ashamed of them, Jagger told BBC Radio in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday.

"We couldn't write rock songs. We just wrote these crap ballads," he told Britain's Radio Five Live, in extracts of an interview that were released before Sunday's broadcast.

The band's first five hits were all cover versions of songs written by other stars, though imbued with the Rolling Stones flavour.

But manager Andrew Loog Oldham wanted them to write their own material - and locked Jagger and Richard in a room until they did.

'We couldn't write rock songs. We just wrote these crap ballads' Jagger said the first song they produced, "As Tears Go By", was far from the heavy-rocker image they were cultivating, so they gave it to pop singer and Jagger girlfriend Marianne Faithfull, who had a hit with it.

"It was pop and we didn't record it because it was crap," he said. "We had a successful crap ballad... I can say now it's a wonderful tune, but we didn't think it was that great at the time."

Jagger said he and Richard "were these two rebellious band members, and we would write nice little tunes, but sentimental stuff".

The dynamic song-writing duo - whose creative skill and tireless drive has kept the band at the top of the notoriously fickle music business for four decades - finally hit their stride in 1965 with "The Last Time".

"Eventually we got to grips with writing rock tunes, but it took a little time," Jagger said.

A string of hits followed, such as "Satisfaction", "Paint It Black" and "Get Off Of My Cloud".

The group, which began as a rebellion band but has long since become absorbed into the establishment, Jagger getting a knighthood earlier this year, has just released 40 years of remastered greatest hits.

Richard said the band had no intention of slowing down after a lifetime in the rock'n'roll fast lane.

"Nobody has been scumbag rockers like us and lived to tell the tale. I wouldn't put it past us to keep on rockin'," he said.

Jagger and Richard, who will both be 60 next year, are currently leading the tireless Stones on another US tour.


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To: blam
We wouldn't even have Satisfaction today if Keith hadn't rolled tape on the riff running through his head before he nodded off.
21 posted on 10/13/2002 5:37:52 PM PDT by weegee
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To: nothingnew
"see what i mean....60 in 8 years=double post."

LOL. I'll be there next year! Ugh.

22 posted on 10/13/2002 5:42:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: Chi-townChief

The Rolling Stones: Sucking In The Seventies

23 posted on 10/13/2002 5:42:43 PM PDT by weegee
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To: martin_fierro
Good grief, Emotional Rescue!

I haven't even THOUGHT about that record in years. Boy, suck it did!

Absolutely rock bottom...

...and from the same guys who did way cool stuff like "Gimme Shelter".

Should of quit while they were ahead!

24 posted on 10/13/2002 5:43:57 PM PDT by tbg681
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To: DWSUWF
Music is not totally subjective. You wll find that the more intelligent the peson, the more he or she will like more complicated melodically or structurally developed music. One of my friends sons, who was proficent in math and science in high school, went to a state math student convention or something like that his senior year (1995). They took a poll of music preferences of these young Einsteins and found out that the favorite group on average was The Beatles. Take that for what it's worth.
25 posted on 10/13/2002 5:44:39 PM PDT by driftless
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To: Revolting cat!
I seem to recall it being a Jagger/Richard hit for Gene Pitney.
26 posted on 10/13/2002 5:44:48 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: blam
More 'Crap'
27 posted on 10/13/2002 5:46:32 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: JZoback
No flame here...I only beg to disagree with your general statement that they were overrated.

From 1964-1971, the Stones produced some of the finest rock ever put on vinyl.

After that, you and I are in full agreement.

28 posted on 10/13/2002 5:46:51 PM PDT by daler
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To: blam
In the 60 Minutes II interview the other night, Richards looked like one of the Maitlands at the end of Beetlejuice.
29 posted on 10/13/2002 5:49:00 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: Chi-townChief
Gene Pitney played some impressive boogie woogie, Johnnie Johnson type piano on some early Stones sessions and the Stones gave him this song in return; it is perhaps their first composition, not As Tears..., as is commonly believed!
30 posted on 10/13/2002 5:49:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: daler
"From 1964-1971, the Stones produced some of the finest rock ever put on vinyl."

For example, Exile On Main Street, one of the best albums ever recorded.

31 posted on 10/13/2002 5:52:51 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: JZoback
No you're correct. Even though I liked the Stones sixties stuff, they were easily the most overrated rock group of all time. Jan Wenner at Rollingstone mag had a lot to do with the gigantic hype they received. The Stones had the outlaw image that Wenner was looking for in contrast to The Beatles. But The Stones final musical body of work was quite inferior to the Fab Four. History will prove that to be the case. Jagger should not dismiss their early songs as crap as that crap was far superior to the garbage they've recorded in the last thirty years.

By the way, in an irrelevant sidebar, Charlie Watts is a huge American Civil War buff which makes him my favorite Stone. He was also their best musician.

32 posted on 10/13/2002 5:55:19 PM PDT by driftless
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To: Revolting cat!
Who sang "That Girl Belongs To Yesterday", who wrote it, for who, as a gift for what? Maybe that's what he's talking about, huh?
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Gene Pitney ... he has a website and performs at the Injun casinos a lot.
33 posted on 10/13/2002 5:55:23 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: driftless
"...Music is not totally subjective. You wll find that the more intelligent the peson, the more he or she will like more complicated melodically or structurally developed music. One of my friends sons, who was proficent in math and science in high school, went to a state math student convention or something like that his senior year (1995). They took a poll of music preferences of these young Einsteins and found out that the favorite group on average was The Beatles. Take that for what it's worth. ..."

Hmmm...

The anecdote you cite here doesn't support your thesis.

My argument isn't about the complexity of the music, or the other talents and accomplishments of some percentage of those people who may prefer complex musical scores...

My argument is that what I (or anyone else) say is good music is good music (to me, or to them) and there is no valid objective way for anyone else to effectively dispute my (or their) opinion on the matter.

By your own example, we can see that not all 'geniuses' prefer complicated musical scores. Musical preference is therefor safely within the realm of the subjective.

34 posted on 10/13/2002 6:00:49 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: tbg681
I like "Let It Bleed," "Sticky Fingers," even "Black And Blue," but don't think they've had a half-decent album since those.
35 posted on 10/13/2002 6:07:34 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: blam
LOL. I'll be there next year! Ugh.

Hey!...Maybe you'll get yer SS just under the SS bankruptcy!...LOL!

FMCDH

36 posted on 10/13/2002 6:33:07 PM PDT by nothingnew
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To: newfreep
The Rolling Stones are a fascinating story deserving more than recycled cliches about Keef and the cockroaches and "nothing good since whatever LP"! Incidentally, the cliches being parroted here had been invented by the same Left media we all hold in such high regard, so enough already! Incidentally, Jann Wenner had nothing whatsoever to do with the Stones' image, he arrived too late for that, and rather than being overrated, they were underrated during their prime time, without a million selling album into the 1970s, so there!

There are some interesting books to look up the history of the Stones, ones by Andrew "Loog" Oldham (coming out with the second volume of his memoirs now,) Bill Wyman (second volume out as we speak,) who was something of an outsider within a group, and perhaps the best of all, Jimmy "Nanker" Phelge's memoirs about the very early days. All this in addition to the usual biographies by the hacks and rock writers, who might or might have not had access to the group, such as the new book by Stephen Davis.

Keef is always a fascinating interview subject, and I recommend his recent Rolling Stone mag interview, which you can read, as I did, standing in line at a supermarket, without buying the issue. Mick's new film The Man From Elysian Fields is an interesting one (he steals the show,) but less of an artistic triumph than I expected laying down six bucks for a matinee ticket just yesterday.

Mick once said that anyone can learn to write songs, which is an interesting statement, in its honesty and humility, considering his accomplishments as a lyric writer.

Finally, I think the Stones biggest success, which for me defines their entire accomplishment, was translating the raw and often primitive rhythm and blues genre into music that was more refined and more palatable to European ears.

This is no different from the work of 19th century classical (but then popular) composers who took primitive peasant folk songs and translated them into symphonic or small ensemble pieces. Unless you are purist, afficionado of the raw stuff or a plain snob, there is nothing wrong with that, is there? Today's "country music" is citified country music, just as Bob Dylan's "folk music" was citified folk music. But I'm venturing into the territory deemed politically incorrect by the entire political range, so I'd better stop.

37 posted on 10/13/2002 6:41:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: DWSUWF
I didn't say that all those math and science whizzes liked complicated melodic music. I said on average they liked The Beatles as opposed to whatever crud group was currently popular at the time. To say that music is totally subjective is to say that you could not predict ON AVERAGE what kind of music certain people will like. If music had no discernable difference between the various types, you would have morons liking the same music as high iq types. I believe you will find that low iq types prefer simpler music to more complicated music. I do not shrink from stating that I find some music to be worth more than other types. If you think otherwise, just play some of John Cage's "music" next to The Beatles or Bach in a music likability contest, and see what people prefer. If you believe that rap "music" or Rage Against The Machine is on the same level as Bach or The Beatles, then I don't know what to say.

While some musical tastes can be classified as subjective, that does not mean that all music is subjective.

38 posted on 10/13/2002 6:42:17 PM PDT by driftless
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To: nothingnew
"Hey!...Maybe you'll get yer SS just under the SS bankruptcy!...LOL!"

Lol. When I was about 45, I received a letter, out of the clear blue, that stated that I had already contributed enough to SS to receive the maximum benefit upon coming of age. I've never planned on receiving SS. I quit work at 50 with my own retirement plan.

39 posted on 10/13/2002 6:47:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: Revolting cat!
http://pub6.ezboard.com/bshidoobeewithstonesdoug
40 posted on 10/13/2002 6:49:19 PM PDT by dennisw
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