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Somalis, coalition want federal review of Lewiston
Portland (Maine) Press Herald ^ | 10 October, 2002 | Meredith Goad

Posted on 10/10/2002 4:52:55 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo

Members of the Somali community and a coalition of local advocacy groups plan to file a complaint with the Justice Department against the city of Lewiston.

The complaint will ask for a comprehensive federal review of Lewiston's programs and services, from the schools to the police department, to ensure that they do not discriminate on the basis of national origin.

The decision to seek federal intervention, which is supported by the Islamic Society of Portland and Peace Action Maine, comes as Lewiston is getting worldwide attention - much of it less than flattering - for a controversial letter sent by Mayor Laurier Raymond to the city's Somali community.

"The reality is that the (anti-discriminatory) policies are not being implemented," said Kathy Poulos-Minot, founder of the National Limited English Proficient Advocacy Task Force in Portland. "Another concern is that when they are being implemented, the services are being delivered in a disrespectful and discriminatory manner by some city employees, and this whole thing with the mayor has made it 100 times worse."

Phil Nadeau, assistant city manager, said the complaint is "unwarranted" and even "laughable." He said he is "incredibly confident" the city will fare well in any federal review.

"This is a work in progress," he said, "and that kind of action suggests that we are somehow consciously not trying to meet the need, that we are somehow trying to skirt around the edges of the issue and do just the marginal work that needs to be done. It's offensive."

In the letter, Raymond asked for help in slowing down the flow of Somalis into the city because, he said, the newcomers are straining the city's finances. Since 2001, more than 1,000 Somalis have moved to Lewiston from other states in search of better schools, less crime and a small-city lifestyle.

"The Somali community must exercise some discipline and reduce the stress on our limited finances and our generosity," Raymond wrote.

Many people in Lewiston have said they agree with the mayor's point of view, but others have called the letter racist because it singles out a particular ethnic group.

The Anti-Defamation League has written to Raymond, saying his letter "raises profound concerns."

"It is a core tenet of our democracy, and of our organization, that Americans have the right to live where they choose," wrote Robert Leikind, the group's regional director.

Jamal Noor of the Islamic Society of Portland has a daughter and grandson who are U.S. citizens and live in Lewiston. Although he doesn't think all Americans agree with what the mayor said, he still fears that the letter could compromise his family's safety.

"The mayor opened the gate of the hate and crime," he said.

Noor said widespread support is being organized for the Justice Department complaint. "We get American friends and also Somalian and different communities," he said. "We hope to turn out together because it's time we need to join together. We stand up."

Wells Staley-Mays of Peace Action Maine said he fears for the lives of his Somali friends "because I do believe this is all about race."

"There are these popular prejudices out there that happen around any immigrant group, that they take up all the money in social services," he said. "The truth is that they pay far more in taxes than they take out in social services. But the prejudice keeps people pitted against each other, and it causes some people to get so vexed that they feel they can take it into their own hands."

Attorney General Steven Rowe sent a letter Wednesday in both English and Somali to members of the Somali community in Maine, pledging his protection and support. He said the "vast, vast majority of Maine residents want you to feel welcome and safe."

The Somali situation has been the talk of Lewiston, with some people defending the mayor and others denouncing him.

"We know the mayor's not a racist or a bigot," Nadeau said. "The message that seems to be getting lost here is this business of fiscal capacity."

Heidi Burgess, 48, of Lewiston said she is not against Somalis resettling in Lewiston "because I know what they've been through."

"But I'm not against what the mayor did, either, because he just said we need to be careful," Burgess said. "We need to slow down receiving any more because our resources are tapped out."

Connie Durette, 55, said she thinks the mayor's letter wasn't strong enough. Angry and trembling, Durette said she feels she is being "taxed to death."

"They take and they don't give," she said of the local Somali community. "I've never been prejudiced before, but this has nothing to do with color. It has to do with the mindset they have that everything is free - free food, free housing, free medical. Nothing has ever been given to me free."

The debate over the Somali immigrants has even found its way onto the Internet sites of hate groups. Steve Hochstadt, a history professor at Bates College and board member of the Holocaust Human Rights Center of Maine, said it's not surprising that hate groups have latched onto the issue, but such groups don't have much support in the state.

Both Hochstadt and Leikind of the Anti-Defamation League said the fact that the controversial letter came from the mayor makes ordinary people feel more comfortable about voicing their opinions.

"I do generally think that it's a good thing if people say what they think, even if it's unpleasant to hear it," Hochstadt said. "But I do think that some of the things that have been said foment hatred or bigotry, and that's not good." Leikind said the letter "seems to have appealed to people's baser instincts."

"I think it's not surprising that there would be some people who would seize upon a statement like this to give voice to sentiments that were beyond the bounds of civility even a few days ago," he said. "And that's one of the things that makes it so troubling because . . . it gives permission to a kind of divisiveness that, frankly, we as a society have worked so hard over the last four or five decades to overcome."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: antidefamation; immigration; invasion; lewiston; povertypimp; prop187; racehustler; refugee; somalis; welfare
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Connie Durette, 55, said she thinks the mayor's letter wasn't strong enough. Angry and trembling, Durette said she feels she is being "taxed to death."

"They take and they don't give," she said of the local Somali community. "I've never been prejudiced before, but this has nothing to do with color. It has to do with the mindset they have that everything is free - free food, free housing, free medical. Nothing has ever been given to me free."

1 posted on 10/10/2002 4:52:56 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Just wait until these people decide they want to own the luxuries the hard working, taxpaying people own. The children of these immigrants have learned that their subsistence is free. Rampant crime (armed robbery/murder) will be right around the corner. I think I'd be finding somewhere else to raise my family, and quick.
2 posted on 10/10/2002 5:08:06 PM PDT by germanicus
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To: NewHampshireDuo
The taxpayers need to understand that the Somalis know how to engage in Third World street protests, and that they are not afraid to get in your face.

If the taxpayers want to succeed, they have to get in the Somalis' face by holding a street protest or something similar of their own.

3 posted on 10/10/2002 5:18:51 PM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka
I seriously doubt that hard-working, average Americans from Maine are capable of getting into anybody's face.

Like most small town people they'll quietly keep paying taxes and refuse to complain.

But maybe the next time a real conservative runs for the Senate Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe will get flushed. One hopes.

4 posted on 10/10/2002 5:31:12 PM PDT by Deb
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To: germanicus
why don't we give them everything and then commit mass suicide so they don't have to be offended by the sight of us.
5 posted on 10/10/2002 5:41:36 PM PDT by drjoe
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To: drjoe
Good one. Why don't we send them back!!!
I know we can't, so no more. Period.
Those 13,ooo waiting to come here, on another
thread, sorry!
6 posted on 10/10/2002 6:44:37 PM PDT by 2rightsleftcoast
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To: ikka
The last Somali 'street protest' *I* saw involved dragging a US Ranger's naked body through the streets of Mogadishu. Why are we importing Ranger Killers? How do we know some of these very people in Lewiston didn't fire on our guys while they were there?
7 posted on 10/10/2002 6:50:18 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Cacique; firebrand; rmlew; Dutchy; StarFan; nutmeg; RaceBannon; Coleus; knighthawk; mhking; FITZ; ..
See, opposing immigration and all the freebies the immigrants is now a hate crime if you do it in writing. Any opposition to ever increasing tax loads to pay for all the freebies the never ending stream of immigrants demand is racist and the federales *will* investigate you!
8 posted on 10/10/2002 6:54:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Where is it written that if I don't want to pay for them "It's a hate crime or it's violence". The only violence so far has been a few blacks vs somali.
I can't afford them.
What don't they get.
9 posted on 10/10/2002 7:04:55 PM PDT by ozone1
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To: ozone1
It's the new PC demagogueing that goes along with the immigration question. Here's the logic...Since most of the 1965 onward immigration has been non-white people...if you oppose the immigration you're racist...QED. Fun, huh? Now, for those that argue the problem is the welfare state...I agree in part. BUT, notice how stopping social services payments or, in this case, merely slowing the rate of growth, is met with howls of racism. Just like prop 187 in CA. If you oppose the flooding of this country with 3rd worlders that soak up social services and health care and fill the schools with kids they pay no property taxes to support (no property taxes in government or section 8 housing...) then you're a racist. Simple really. There are even some freepers that support the dims in this argument. Just look at the immigration threads & you'll see...
10 posted on 10/10/2002 7:15:06 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: All
You are absolutely right. As long as we Mainers shut up and took it, there was no problem. Eighteen months later, when the Somalis STILL hadn't gotten jobs, people started to say they didn't want to pay for them anymore. In a childish fit of anger, the Somalis threw a temper tantrum and screamed "RACISTS!" When THAT didn't get them anywhere, they decided to throw our own gov't against us to "examine" city funds. They want to make sure they get every single dollar coming to them, dontcha know! Trust me, we know they are violent, three of them ganged up on a Lewiston man about a week ago. They stabbed him three times and almost cut his throat. They were charged with aggravated assault. Now it is even okay that they kill us. I guess if we complain about it, we are racist. Don't worry, America. Mainers won't give in, no matter how many of us are stabbed!!!
11 posted on 10/10/2002 7:24:40 PM PDT by Morrigan
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To: Morrigan
Have a special election in Lewiston and vote to end all welfare payments and handouts. Families in Lewiston with members on these payments can handle their own. The Somalis will have to get pushed out of the comfy nest and either fly, or flee. One or the other...Starvation is the alternative. If Lewiston could suck it up for 18 months with no social services the Somalis that were left would be the ones you really wanted :).
12 posted on 10/10/2002 7:31:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: NewHampshireDuo
The debate over the Somali immigrants has even found its way onto the Internet sites of hate groups. Steve Hochstadt, a history professor at Bates College and board member of the Holocaust Human Rights Center of Maine, said it's not surprising that hate groups have latched onto the issue, but such groups don't have much support in the state.

Wonder if Mr. Hochstadt would classify Free Republic as a hate site? I think he probably would, since they disagree with him. He would probably call us racist, too. Typical liberal name caller.

13 posted on 10/10/2002 7:34:42 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: NewHampshireDuo
"Racist" because it "singles out a particular ethnic group?"

How many non-Somali residents does Lewiston have that have less job prospects than the average American 16-year-old - due to not understanding English, nearly no schooling, etc.?

Native-born Americans who can't speak English probably can't even find work at McDonald's. They are minimally employable at the best of times. Why shouldn't a mayor represent his citizens by saying that his town cannot afford more such people - of any race?

DeportEmAllLetAllahSortItOut!

Get the sticker!

14 posted on 10/10/2002 7:47:01 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: NewHampshireDuo
We should take up a collection to fuel up a couple of C-5's, So Our Air Force can fly them back. Maybe the fly boys can practice using that rapid unloading device.
15 posted on 10/10/2002 7:55:58 PM PDT by oyez
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To: oyez
I seriously want to know if there's the possiblity that any of these are ones who fired on our guys in the Mog. See BlackHawk Down. Then see it again. Repeat. Now, tell me why we're importing Somalis? They can't run their own country, why on earth do we think they'd be an asset here???!
16 posted on 10/10/2002 7:59:29 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
You might ask Bill Clinton.
17 posted on 10/10/2002 9:39:11 PM PDT by oyez
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To: oyez
Or the current guys. It seems we're still importing them at a pretty impressive pace.
18 posted on 10/10/2002 9:42:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
The last Somali 'street protest' *I* saw involved dragging a US Ranger's naked body through the streets of Mogadishu. Why are we importing Ranger Killers?P> They are only going to cause trouble, like they do here in the Netherlands. They are the number two source of islamic fundamentalism here.
19 posted on 10/11/2002 2:40:05 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Black Agnes
Any opposition to ever increasing tax loads to pay for all the freebies the never ending stream of immigrants demand is racist and the federales *will* investigate you!

It's just going to get worse if we don't get a handle on this very quickly.

20 posted on 10/11/2002 2:47:02 AM PDT by sarcasm
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