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Market madness ending, says Buffett (SAGE OF OMAHA ALERT?)
BBC News ^ | September 27, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/27/2002 11:03:01 AM PDT by MadIvan

The "mass hallucination" that gripped the world's stock markets during the tech boom is ending, the US investment guru Warren Buffett has told the BBC.

He said the markets were now "more realistic" compared with the share bubble of a few years ago, when investors ignored common sense and started "dreaming".

Mr Buffett added that the hallucination had led to an erosion of accounting standards, which erupted so damagingly over the past few months.

And he said investors should take a long-term view with their money if they wanted to be successful.

Track-record

Warren Buffett has become one of the world's most successful investors through his company Berkshire Hathaway.

His strategy has been to concentrate on buying stakes in undervalued companies and then holding the shares for many years, rather than seeking to make a quick gain from speculative trading.

During the tech boom of the late 1990s Mr Buffett was criticised for not investing in internet companies and consequently missing out on the large share increases seen at the time.

'Crazy prices'

In an interview with the BBC, Mr Buffett said most of the froth of the tech boom years had now gone.

"When you have a market value of $20bn-30bn on a company that's just a gleam in the eye of someone I think hallucination fits the phenomenon.

"Businesses were sold at somewhat crazy prices, but that's over with now and I think it'll stay over with for a while."

When asked why people had acted in such a way he said people "go mad in crowds - they lose their ability to see what's right in front of them".

"People behave like lemmings in certain cases - when money is involved there's that desire to believe."

No easy fix

He said he had no solution for private investors who had made big losses when the market collapsed.

"Unfortunately the people who got in a few years ago were paying bubble prices for securities and they weren't alone - the small investor and the professional were doing the same thing.

"If you pay the wrong price for something there's no cure - that's true if you're buying businesses, commodities, homes or anything else.

Soaring stocks led to scandal

The "hallucination" in the market contributed towards the recent corporate scandals seen in the US, such as Enron and WorldCom.

Mr Buffett said standards were "eroded".

"When people get very happy anything goes to some degree and accounting deteriorated... management stuck their hands further and further into the cookie jar and there were real abuses," he said.

"Generally speaking American CEOs are able and they're decent people but when they saw someone else making $30m instead of their $3m they didn't ignore it."

Long-term view

Mr Buffett said he did not know what effect a war with Iraq would have on the markets or the economy and said investors should try and avoid looking at short-term factors.

"You're taking your eye off the ball if you're looking at specific events, in terms of either business or markets.

"You can't time those things and you can't know exactly how they'll work out."

And he urged investors to look for value and invest for the long-term.

"In the end if [people] buy good businesses at the right price they will do wonderfully."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nebraska; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: berkshire; buffett; hathaway; madness; markets
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This fellow is called a sage when all he's doing is telling common sense. If only we call could find stocks for good businesses at the right price. Somehow, it's not that simple I think. ;)

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/27/2002 11:03:02 AM PDT by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 09/27/2002 11:03:25 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
He's doing something right. You can buy ONE share of his company today for a mere $73,800.
3 posted on 09/27/2002 11:07:50 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
he has also brought a dying, bankrupt Fruit of the Loom textile company back to life with new plants, new machines and new jobs for United States textile workers. He may know what he is talking about.
4 posted on 09/27/2002 11:11:18 AM PDT by Times-a-Wastin
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To: MadIvan
This fellow is called a sage when all he's doing is telling common sense.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed-man is king.

5 posted on 09/27/2002 11:16:03 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: Times-a-Wastin
Hmmm, wonder how many, if any, of those workers are illegals. I've heard the textile business was 'eat up with' illegals.
6 posted on 09/27/2002 11:17:29 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Dog Gone
Back in 2000, you could have bought that share for only $45,000.
7 posted on 09/27/2002 11:18:24 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: MadIvan
Buffett recently bought a local family owned business, one that was rock solid financially. The family was left to run it. Buffett has bigger things in mind for the business.
8 posted on 09/27/2002 11:25:50 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: MadIvan
Well, the telecom sector IS down to a P/E of 16, which is close to sane. But I can also say with near-certainty that at least two of Nortel, Lucent, Ericsson, and Alcatel will not exist in 6 months.

It is therefore easy to predict that telecom will be even cheaper in 4-8 months than it is now. Who would buy today if further bloodletting is certain?

9 posted on 09/27/2002 11:41:45 AM PDT by eno_
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To: MadIvan
He's totally right on this issue.
10 posted on 09/27/2002 11:43:22 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: eno_
Alcatel and Ericsson will both undoubtedly exist in 6 months. The EU and Sweden, respectively, will not permit them to fail and will bail them out.

Either Lucent or Nortel will go, however. I'm inclined to think that it's Nortel, but both companies have ~$4B of cash left to waste, so it won't be six months. Maybe a year.

11 posted on 09/27/2002 12:06:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: MadIvan
This fellow is called a sage when all he's doing is telling common sense.

In the areas of investment and common sense, I'm a big Buffett fan. His political stands are utopian, unrealistic, and dreamy.

That doesn't stop me from appreciating his investment acumen and plain old folksy humor. I think my favorite is when an interviewer asked him "Mr. Buffett, after you've died, what would you like people to say about you?". He thought for a minute, and replied, "God--was he old!".

12 posted on 09/27/2002 12:07:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: MadIvan
Geez Ivan, you scared the s**t out of me.

For a minute, I thought you wrote (SAGE OF OSAMA ALERT).

Well, never mind, carry on.

13 posted on 09/27/2002 12:13:52 PM PDT by TomB
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To: MadIvan
Somehow, it's not that simple I think.

"10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" was Thomas Edison's philosophy. From what Buffet says, he works harder than a lot of other researchers, and does'nt try to make $$$ in a business he does'nt understand.

He has actually achieved genius status in my book,by simply grasping his own limitations and being comfortable with them.

14 posted on 09/27/2002 12:14:59 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Interestingly, Buffett's father was a radically free market congressman, Howard Buffett of Nebraska. Howard Buffett was the Ron Paul of the 1950s. The Buffett family doesn't like to talk about "crazy" Howard too much.
15 posted on 09/27/2002 12:18:51 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: L,TOWM
I think the inspiration/perspiration ratio was actually 1-99, and I thought it was Einstein, but I've been known to be wrong.

At any rate, common sense is so novel these days, it makes headlines.
16 posted on 09/27/2002 12:20:47 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
I think the inspiration/perspiration ratio was actually 1-99, and I thought it was Einstein, but I've been known to be wrong.

The adage states invention is "1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration." and was said by Edison. So you get half marks.

At any rate, common sense is so novel these days, it makes headlines.

Or to put it more simply: as my grandfather said - "Common sense is not common."

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 09/27/2002 12:29:20 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: wideawake
I think it took Ericsson about 15 minutes to burn through the $3B rights issue. And with sequential %15-20% revenue declines among these four, it will only burn faster next quarter. Even the government of Sweden has limits to wasting money.

There might be company named Ericsson in a year, but without chips, wireline, or broadband. And its an open question if 3G will get built before all of Ericsson's 3G products are obsolete. If there is a rescue, it will be radical.

That said, Nortel will crash first.

18 posted on 09/27/2002 12:30:06 PM PDT by eno_
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To: MadIvan
...and was said by Edison. So you get half marks.

Well, it began with an E.
19 posted on 09/27/2002 12:33:04 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: MadIvan
The man knows his stocks but he also owns the LA Times, Buffalo News. I don't know what other communist rags he owns if any. I gather he does not contribute to the editorial content.
20 posted on 09/27/2002 12:33:25 PM PDT by Wurlitzer
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