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Hearings will reveal some secrets of 9/11
CNN ^ | 9/17/02 | David Ensor

Posted on 09/17/2002 7:09:44 PM PDT by Rumierules

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To: MJY1288
I've just spent a lovely evening with one of our grandchildren. Not tonight.
21 posted on 09/17/2002 9:00:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: tubebender
"I recall some security rules proposed for the airline industry near the end of the Clitton era and I believe Al Bore nixed it for some reason. Do you recall this ?"

You probably refer to the more stringent security rules proposed in the wake of TW 800.

Those rules were not unlike those that are now in force, plus much more stringent baggage screening. This, even though the alleged cause of the TW 800 cash was "a spark in the wiring of the fuel pump in the center fuel tank", remember.

These rules were recognized as a huge inconvenience to the passengers. And a huge expense to the airlines, who would have to fund them (as the security process would not have been federalized, as it is now).

However, after the airlines fed something over $600,000 into the Democrat campaign committee, the proposal were dropped...

Government by extortion, Clinton-Gore style.

22 posted on 09/17/2002 9:03:13 PM PDT by okie01
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To: MJY1288
CNN is just playing the "Bush Knew Card"

Well...Bush knows about Iraq now, but that doesn't stop the media, the Democrats and most every foreign government in the world from saying: Wait, what's the hurry?

Their hypocrisy reeks to high heaven.

23 posted on 09/17/2002 9:17:00 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: pfflier; All
Condi Rice told us all she never imagined that the terrorists would crash planes into buildings!

She should be fired for her incompetence.

As should all the rest of the fed establishment that was and continues to be incompetent.

But no, no one will be held responsible for not preventing 9/11.

Kool-aid drinkers in both parties will continue to defend the indefensible.

So, I will watch the hearings , read what redacted reports come out and continue to scream, "This government, through its incompetence, greed, corruptness and mis, mal and non feasance let thousands of Americans die."

24 posted on 09/17/2002 9:45:21 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
On Sept 11, Tom Brokaw held a two hour town hall meeting with NYC family members. John McCain was on. He told the families that they should force a Blue Ribbon panel because the fault went much higher than the intelligence committees. He looked rather gleeful so I imagine he is going to try to pin this on Bush. It would be par for the course since he is still pissed about losing the nomination. I would guess that Bush got a briefing at some time that said planes "might" at sometime be used as weapons - with no time, date, or location. But that won't stop McCain and his lib cohorts. It would also explain why McCain waited so long to jump in and help President Bush to push the Iraq war. Awhile back, McCain was saying, "On to Iraq!!!" Then, when Scowcroft and the others came out with thier criticism, McCain was totally silent. I'm telling you, McCain is still out to get President Bush. Watch and see. I detest that slimeball.
25 posted on 09/17/2002 9:47:16 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Betty Jo
Give me a break. When the WTC was bombed in 1993, clinton didn't even go there nor did he meet with his CIA director for the next two years. This Administration is not incompetent. There is no smoking gun so don't try to invent one.
26 posted on 09/17/2002 9:50:00 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Wait4Truth
Well, I've never much like him either...but I must say, I've appreciated his comments on Iraq in the last week. I'm sure there's some kind of alterior motive involved, but at least he's on the right page on this. That's a helluva lot more than I can say for Kofi Annan, France, and John Kerry.
27 posted on 09/17/2002 9:50:42 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: MJY1288
Is all this noise about the November elections? Free publicity, for example?

28 posted on 09/17/2002 10:03:50 PM PDT by pkpjamestown
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To: Scott from the Left Coast; All
ABOUT THE WOMAN RUNNING THE SHOW:

The previous inspector general, Eleanor J. Hill, was selected by President Bill Clinton in 1995. Hill served until 1999 and left a controversial legacy [see "Controversial Staffer Clouds 9/11 Probe," Aug. 5] that included charges by the Air Force and senior civilian-defense officials that she covered up the Clinton administration's involvement in decontrolling weapons-technology transfers to the People's Republic of China.

Grassley, a staunch critic of the IG's office under Hill's leadership, tells Insight: "My three-year oversight investigations of the Inspector General's Office has uncovered a number of serious problems, including high-level misconduct and the falsification of investigative and audit reports."

Grassley uncovered one such falsified report in the spring of 2001. It began with a failed audit dated Nov. 12, 1998 [see "Government Fails Fiscal-Fitness Test," May 20; "Wasted Riches," Oct. 22, 2001; and "Rumsfeld Inherits Financial Mess," Sept. 3, 2001]. According to a May 22, 2001, letter from Grassley to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, that audit contained "at least 47 known deficiencies."

During a "routine peer-review" inspection of the IG's audits, the reviewers asked to see the November 1998 audit of "DoD Use of Pseudo Social Security Numbers." According to the Grassley letter, "instead of submitting it and suffering the consequences, a decision was made to destroy all the original work papers and to re-create an entirely new set." While Hill had presided over the original failed audit, the falsified audit occurred after her departure in 1999.

The Grassley letter went on to say, "Senior IG officials apparently ordered the staff to sign and backdate the new working papers as if they had been prepared at the time of the original audit." Sources familiar with the investigation of the falsified audit papers tell Insight that Assistant IG Lieberman was involved and "that is what led to his retirement." The so-called "audit work-paper falsification" led to an internal investigation by the IG's office that is pending.

The DoDIG is an independent entity with audit authority responsible for searching out waste, fraud and abuse. Schmitz is a conservative who is known to have the enthusiastic support of Rumsfeld and the entire Bush team at the Pentagon.

Scott Wheeler is a reporter for Insight magazine.

29 posted on 09/17/2002 10:15:26 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; Howlin; Dog Gone; floriduh voter
Thought you'd find this interesting.
30 posted on 09/17/2002 10:17:58 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Betty Jo
Bump for shining a light on what we knew.

No doubt islamic influence and pressure caused us to softshoe the threat, but exactly how much? The hearings should help us realise the sheer scale of the incompetence and PC'ism that got us where we are.

More hearings. More. Let's see the full screwup.
31 posted on 09/17/2002 11:21:22 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Rumierules
including the disclosure that analysts knew al Qaeda had previously plotted to use aircraft as terrorist weapons.

In the FWIW department, an old friend & collegue of mine co-authored a paper nearly 20 years ago which stated "why bother with making bombs when there are all those nice airplanes loaded with tons of fuel sitting on aprons..."

32 posted on 09/18/2002 12:34:42 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Cicero
http://www.msnbc.com/news/809484.asp?pne=msn
33 posted on 09/18/2002 6:26:44 PM PDT by pkpjamestown
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To: Wait4Truth

That’s interesting. Where else have we heard of dual books? McCabe?


34 posted on 09/24/2018 3:19:52 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Wait4Truth; Fedora

Old time bump. Dual books then and now found by Grassley ...


35 posted on 09/24/2018 3:22:42 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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bunpity

...Grassley, a staunch critic of the IG's office under Hill's leadership, tells Insight: "My three-year oversight investigations of the Inspector General's Office has uncovered a number of serious problems, including high-level misconduct and the falsification of investigative and audit reports." Grassley uncovered one such falsified report in the spring of 2001. It began with a failed audit dated Nov. 12, 1998 [see "Government Fails Fiscal-Fitness Test," May 20; "Wasted Riches," Oct. 22, 2001; and "Rumsfeld Inherits Financial Mess," Sept. 3, 2001]. According to a May 22, 2001, letter from Grassley to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, that audit contained "at least 47 known deficiencies." During a "routine peer-review" inspection of the IG's audits, the reviewers asked to see the November 1998 audit of "DoD Use of Pseudo Social Security Numbers." According to the Grassley letter, "instead of submitting it and suffering the consequences, a decision was made to destroy all the original work papers and to re-create an entirely new set." While Hill had presided over the original failed audit, the falsified audit occurred after her departure in 1999. The Grassley letter went on to say, "Senior IG officials apparently ordered the staff to sign and backdate the new working papers as if they had been prepared at the time of the original audit." Sources familiar with the investigation of the falsified audit papers tell Insight that Assistant IG Lieberman was involved and "that is what led to his retirement." The so-called "audit work-paper falsification" led to an internal investigation by the IG's office that is pending....

36 posted on 09/24/2018 3:26:45 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Standard lawyer trick: keep multiple accounts of the same incident so you can document anything upon demand without revealing what actually happened.


37 posted on 09/24/2018 6:39:46 AM PDT by Fedora
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