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Feminism's slide since Sept. 11
Men's News Daily ^ | September 17, 2002 | Cathy Young

Posted on 09/17/2002 2:30:58 AM PDT by RogerFGay


Feminism's slide since Sept. 11

On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, I was busy finishing a column about actress Anne Heche's briefly sensational claims to have recovered repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse and about the fact that such assertions were no longer accorded the nearly uncritical reception they were once given. Two or three minutes after turning on the television, I knew there would be no need to file the column. At the time, it seemed that no one would ever care about such topics again.

A year later, we know that things have not changed as much as was once expected. Reports of the death of the celebrity culture, the death of moral relativism, and the death of irony had been greatly exaggerated. David Letterman still offers his wry perspective on current news, the lives and loves of Britney Spears and Brad Pitt still attract attention, and politically correct college professors still frown at "simplistic" notions of good and evil.

The post-Sept. 11 spirit of unity proved even more ephemeral than the upsurge in religious sentiment: In recent months, the disheartening spectacle of Democrats and Republicans trying to blame each other for the tragedy has been a staple of political talk shows.

Still, if many things remain the same, life has changed. Partisan bickering and celebrity worship may be alive and well, but we are, perhaps, more likely to put these things in their perspective. Moral relativism may still be preached but it is likely to find fewer takers.

There has been a subtle shift, as well, in relations between the sexes.

Some conservative commentators have also argued that the attack on America and the war on terrorism have ushered in a restoration of traditional gender roles, and in particular an era of "manly men": the firemen and police officers who became the heroes of the World Trade Center, the male passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 who foiled the hijackers' plan to use the plane as a missile.

After years of male-bashing, it is good to see some appreciation for male heroism and even for the fact that traditional machismo always included not only dominance but protection and rescue. But one senses that some champions of the manly man would have been almost disappointed if the heroes of Flight 93 had included a woman. (Some flight attendants may have helped fight the hijackers.) Meanwhile, feminists who bemoan the lack of attention to the heroines of Sept. 11 tend to sidestep the fact that it's overwhelmingly men who put their lives on the line in dangerous jobs.

The cultural messages that have emerged from the crisis are too complex to be marshaled into the cause of gender nostalgia. The military action in Afghanistan is taking place at a time when there are more women in the military and at the highest levels of government than during any previous American war - from Condoleezza Rice to the women who flew combat missions over Afghanistan.

But while America may not be embracing traditionalism, it is true that the feminist movement, already at low ebb, has slid further into irrelevancy.

For one, the post-Sept. 11 sense that "we're all in this together" has not dissipated entirely. It may not have proved strong enough to bridge political or even racial polarization (though it has probably diminished such differences), but gender polarization has never been as deep.

Probably, too, the plight of women under the Taliban made many American women realize what real oppression looked like and made some preoccupations of the American women's movement (such as policing sex jokes at work) seem rather trivial.

Perhaps most damningly, many feminists' allegiance to the left made them reluctant to endorse the West's liberation of Afghani women from tyranny. A statement issued in June by prominent American leftists, including feminist luminaries such as Gloria Steinem, novelist Alice Walker and "Vagina Monologues" author Eve Ensler, denounced "the war and repression ... loosed on the world by the Bush administration." It mentioned the "attack" on Afghanistan but not the consequences to that nation's women.

Maybe the real gender-related message to be gleaned from Sept. 11 is this: However much we would like to see women's liberation as a natural right, it is the achievement of a complex, advanced civilization. Recent events remind us that this civilization is fragile and that its enemies are hostile to freedom for anyone - but especially women. Feminists, perhaps more than anyone else, should realize that the West is worth defending. Perhaps if they did realize it, they wouldn't be so irrelevant.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: culturewar; feminism; genderwar; masculinism; socialism
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1 posted on 09/17/2002 2:30:58 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: JimKalb; Free the USA; EdReform; realwoman; Orangedog; Lorianne; Outlaw76; balrog666; DNA Rules; ...
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2 posted on 09/17/2002 2:31:35 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
If it weren't for the character and humanity of American men, women in this country and elsewhere in the world would still be men's chattels. Something for the feminazis here to contemplate as they keep denouncing America and the men who make her great.
3 posted on 09/17/2002 2:37:02 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Similarly, if it had not been for Britan and, to a lesser extent, America, human slavery would still be the rule, rather than the exception.
4 posted on 09/17/2002 3:40:01 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: goldstategop
It has just amazed me how American feminists have made fools of themselves and their country every year at the Annual UN Women's Day conference. Of course, Americans know that they make fools of themselves every day in the US, and aren't surprised when they make fools of themselves on the world stage.
5 posted on 09/17/2002 4:19:45 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: goldstategop
As a woman I must admit that you are right. God bless those men.
6 posted on 09/17/2002 4:28:05 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: RogerFGay
Yesterday there was an article posted on American women working with the Special Forces in Afghanistan. They're used to search Afghan women, who've been smuggling weapons. One Afghan women didn't believe the soldier was a women until she took her Kevlar helmet off. Talk about culture shock.
7 posted on 09/17/2002 5:28:43 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: RogerFGay
Some conservative commentators have also argued that the attack on America and the war on terrorism have ushered in a restoration of traditional gender roles, and in particular an era of "manly men"

I'm surprised that you posted this article, Roger, considering some of the other articles you've posted about fathers' rights. As a woman, I have absolutely no trouble with the idea of "manly men", but, remember, in addition to firemen and rescue workers and other heroes, fathers who work and support their families also fall under that heading.

the plight of women under the Taliban made many American women realize what real oppression looked like and made some preoccupations of the American women's movement (such as policing sex jokes at work) seem rather trivial.

The idea that American feminists didn't know or didn't sympathize with the plight of women under the Taliban is (excuse me, but) a load of crap. I first heard about the Taliban and its treatment of women (not to mention its horrendous treatment of men, too!) years ago on a feminist website. But, back then, Americans outside of the feminist arena didn't care. Let's face it: It didn't become an issue of concern for most Americans until we were fighting Afghanistan in a war. But, Western feminists were screaming about it for years beforehand.

8 posted on 09/17/2002 5:28:59 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
The author, Cathy young, is an extremely well known "individualist feminist" (i.e. western political orientation as opposed to Marxist-Socialist) who has made a career out of knowing what's going on with feminism and arguing against the feminazis. Among other things, she's remarking on the left-wing anti-Bush anti-Republican phenomenon of critisizing the war against the Taliban and al Quaeda. Your left-wing feminazi sisters are like that. In case you haven't noticed, they work with and for the Democratic Party and don't really care which side of what they end up on. Hating men, all men, is mostly just about getting recruits and donations.

As for your other thing -- being surprised that I posted and reminding me that fathers who support their families are men -- shame on you.
9 posted on 09/17/2002 5:51:16 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Your left-wing feminazi sisters are like that.

I'm not "left-wing". I'm more traditionalist in the roles of men and women. What I'm pointing out is that it's contradictory for men to support the idea of "manly men" in one way (rescue workers, etc.) but not in another (i.e. supporting their families and allowing mothers to raise the children). But, perhaps I'm confusing you, Roger, with a few of the respondants on your threads... ?

10 posted on 09/17/2002 6:29:38 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
You're not confusing me. You've confused yourself. You're insinuating that I'm among a group of people who are on some other side of a fence from men who care about and take care of their children. As I said before -- shame on you.
11 posted on 09/17/2002 6:44:17 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
No, I'm not saying that you personally don't take care of your responsibilities. However, you have posted articles sympathetic to men who don't take care of their responsibilities.
12 posted on 09/17/2002 6:59:52 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: RogerFGay
I stand BEHIND the women's movement 100%.
13 posted on 09/17/2002 7:05:27 AM PDT by BIOMAN
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To: Tired of Taxes
No, I'm not saying that you personally don't take care of your responsibilities. However, you have posted articles sympathetic to men who don't take care of their responsibilities.

You mean like men who are unemployed, so the government creates an arbitrary debt for them to pay, revokes their drivers licenses, and throws them in jail? Are those the men you're accusing me of showing sympathy for?
14 posted on 09/17/2002 7:22:45 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Tired of Taxes
How about those men the government orders to support children of women they've never met? Is opposing that sympathizing with men who don't take care of their obligations?
15 posted on 09/17/2002 7:24:36 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Again, Roger, if you're going to support traditional "manly" roles, then you should support ALL the traditional roles. "Manly men" work to support their families.
16 posted on 09/17/2002 7:30:57 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: BIOMAN
I stand BEHIND the women's movement 100%.

Me too, the view is great! [sorry, couldn't resist]

17 posted on 09/17/2002 7:31:40 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: RogerFGay
yeah, look at all the women liberated in Afghanistan by Mavis Leno (Jay's wife) and
her feminist friends...oops, no that was Dubya and a few good men (and women) who did that.

Bet that is not talked about over at the National Organization of Women much...
18 posted on 09/17/2002 7:32:06 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Tired of Taxes
Again, Roger, if you're going to support traditional "manly" roles, then you should support ALL the traditional roles. "Manly men" work to support their families.

That's not the subject of my articles. I'm sure Cathy Young wasn't referring to my articles when she made the comment in her article, because that's never been the subject of any of my artiles.
19 posted on 09/17/2002 7:36:50 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
How about those men the government orders to support children of women they've never met?

Again, I agree with many father's rights issues. I don't think men who aren't the bio-fathers of children should be forced to pay child support, and I'm sure most people would agree.

But, here you've posted an article applauding "manly men", and I'm just pointing out the contradiction between two positions:

(1) Women should appreciate men who are "manly", and feminists should realize there's a natural difference between men and women

VERSUS

(2) Men shouldn't be penalized for not supporting their families.

20 posted on 09/17/2002 7:39:30 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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