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Bush I Must Talk To Bush II On Iraq (Helen Thomas Geritol Alert)
The Boston Channel (For the Elderly) | September 3, 2002 | Helen "You Damn Kids" Thomas

Posted on 09/05/2002 12:52:21 PM PDT by Lance Romance

Bush I Must Talk To Bush II On Iraq
Ex-President Must Urge Diplomatic Solution To Saddam Problem

POSTED: 10:35 a.m. EDT September 3, 2002
UPDATED: 12:10 p.m. EDT September 3, 2002
WASHINGTON -- It's time for former President George H.W. Bush to speak up before his son plunges the United States into another war with Iraq.

The elder Bush's silence is understandable because of their delicate father-son relationship and the protocol for past presidents -- to be seen and not heard.

Besides, Bush I is a prudent man (his favorite term). And he is diplomatic.

He proved that during his eight years as vice president, especially when an attempt was made on Ronald Reagan's life in 1981 and former Secretary of State Alexander Haig presumptuously claimed that he was in charge.

Bush stayed publicly quiet at that point. But Haig, roundly criticized for his presumptiveness, learned the hard way what the presidential line of succession really is. Bush, not Haig, was in charge at that time.

White House reporters have probed but have never really found out how much Bush I weighs in on the telephone from his home in Houston when foreign policy becomes dicey. Press secretary Ari Fleischer has always fended off questions about the family relationship on grounds that it is private.

But the elder Bush needs to clear up questions about where he stands on the Iraq war issue. And maybe he can help his son explore peaceful, diplomatic alternatives before it's too late.

A widespread perception -- and I hope it is untrue -- is that the sitting president is seeking to avenge his father by toppling Iraq's Saddam Hussein from power. After all, Saddam once tried to kill Bush I. So he should speak out and set the record straight.

After his lightning victory in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Bush made it clear he felt the U.S.-led coalition had accomplished its mission, and that was to liberate Kuwait.

In other words, victory over Iraqi forces, not conquest of their country, was the goal.

Bush and his top advisers did consider toppling Saddam, but they doubted that the allied coalition would hold together if they pushed on to Baghdad, widening the war with the prospect of huge numbers of civilian casualties.

I covered the White House during that period and never felt that the elder Bush had the same obsession with revenge that his son is perceived to have.

Bush I should also take a stand in the current debate because many analysts believe that two former key aides of his, Brent Scowcroft and James Baker, were his stalking horses when they went public recently with their views on a war with Iraq.

In a Wall Street Journal article, Scowcroft, national security adviser in the first Bush administration, urged caution, saying "an attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counter-terrorist campaign we have undertaken."

Furthermore, he warned that an attack might provoke Iraq into using weapons of mass destruction to trigger war between Israel and the Arab states.

Baker, the elder Bush's secretary of state, wrote in the New York Times that there is little evidence that Iraq has ties to the al-Qaida terrorist network or to the Sept. 11 attacks.

But he said there is no question that "its present government, under Saddam Hussein, is an outlaw regime, is in violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions, is embarked upon a program of developing weapons of mass destruction and is a threat to peace and stability ..."

Yet Baker argued that instead of taking unilateral action, the United States should urge the U.N. Security Council to adopt a resolution that would require Iraq "to submit to intrusive inspection (of its weapons plants and stockpiles) anytime, anywhere, with no exceptions, and authorizing all necessary means to enforce it."

On the other hand, Henry Kissinger, secretary of state under Richard Nixon, recently agreed with George W. Bush. "I think the president has made a good intellectual case" for ousting Saddam militarily, he said. Yet he added that "military intervention should be attempted only if we are willing to sustain such an effort for however long it is needed."

Thus Kissinger, whose policy in Vietnam was abysmal, joined the pack of hardliners egging W on. That was no surprise.

Fortunately for the country, Secretary of State Colin Powell, a retired general who knows war first-hand, is not as militant as many of W's other advisers. As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he was a cautious architect of the Persian Gulf War. Both he and Bush I wanted to exhaust their diplomatic options first.

The hardliners are apparently worried that their uncompromising goal of deposing Saddam even if he permits U.N. inspectors back in Iraq is losing public support. So the super hawks have now rolled out the big public relations guns to keep the pressure on.

Cheney, the point man, fired salvos this week with bellicose speeches declaring there is "no doubt" that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. He gave no proof. Nor has anyone else in the administration. The vice president also said that "the risks of inaction are far greater than the risks of action."

So it is time for the elder Bush to take a stand. I hope that if he does, it will not be in support of a preemptive attack.

(Helen Thomas can be reached at helent@hearstdc.com)



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: seniledementia
It's time for former President George H.W. Bush to speak up before his son plunges the United States into another war with Iraq.

This one might last 96 hours.

I covered the White House during that period and never felt that the elder Bush had the same obsession with revenge that his son is perceived to have.

Helen, at your advanced age, you can't perceive anything, even if you pissed yourself. Time for this old bat to be put out to pasture.

1 posted on 09/05/2002 12:52:21 PM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance; Howlin; Miss Marple; Iowa Granny; Dog; Billie; mountaineer; BigWaveBetty; ...
First the so-called journalists want to tell us that W is nothing more than daddy's little frat boy who has no mind of his own. Now they want him to consult with daddy because they find that W has a mind of his own. Pukes.
2 posted on 09/05/2002 12:56:09 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Lance Romance
I always find it hilarious that the press thinks that the President doesn't talk to his father. My guess is that he knows exactly how his father feels and that his father is backing him all the way. Just because a few of President GHWB's advisors and cabinet appear to be against the war doesn't mean that the former President is. After all he was the one who Saddam attempted to assassinate.

I also remember how former President Bush was constantly reminded by the press that it was against the US law to execute Saddam. This is the same press that now says that he should have finished the job then. Well they wouldn't hear of it then, so now we must have another war to get the job done.

3 posted on 09/05/2002 12:59:49 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: Lance Romance
Helen, at your advanced age, you can't perceive anything, even if you pissed yourself.

*snicker*

4 posted on 09/05/2002 1:00:25 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Lance Romance
the protocol for past presidents -- to be seen and not heard.

Helen, any chance you could remind ex-presidents Carter and Clinton of this protocol?

5 posted on 09/05/2002 1:02:10 PM PDT by tcostell
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To: anniegetyourgun
The elder Bush's silence is understandable because of their delicate father-son relationship and the protocol for past presidents -- to be seen and not heard.

Can we take up a collection to get Helen a quarter so she can make a call to her idol, Bill Clinton, and give him the big news that he's suppose to SHUT UP?????

6 posted on 09/05/2002 1:02:37 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Oh Sweetie!
7 posted on 09/05/2002 1:04:02 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: anniegetyourgun
Never mind. I just emailed her myself. :-)
8 posted on 09/05/2002 1:04:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: w1andsodidwe
My guess is that he knows exactly how his father feels and that his father is backing him all the way.

Yep. And he probably feels terrible that his son now has to deal with this because he didn't finish off Saddam when he had the chance.

9 posted on 09/05/2002 1:05:03 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Lance Romance
But the elder Bush needs to clear up questions about where he stands on the Iraq war issue.

Will everybody who thinks GHWB needs to do this please rasie your hand?
I thought so..

10 posted on 09/05/2002 1:05:59 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne
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To: Lance Romance
It is time to form the Arab-American Brigade. We need to give all americans of Arab decent a chance to show their patroitism. They could serve as the point element for the coming American Military action in Iraq.

Helen Thomas could lead the way.
11 posted on 09/05/2002 1:12:12 PM PDT by CHUCKfromCAL
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To: Lance Romance
I''ve said it before and I'll say it again: This drooling, senile old biddy doesn't do anything anymore but write slanted Bush-hating columns. Thus she is no longer a journalist. Thus she should no longer be accorded the privileges of having a permanent seat in the White House Briefing Room, much less a seat in the front row.
12 posted on 09/05/2002 1:15:26 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Lance Romance
A little off topic, since this has nothing to do with Iraq, but with George H.W. Bush.

Heard that Bush #41 did an interview with Glenn Beck yesterday at his home in Kennebunkport. They are going to air it on September 11th. You can pick it up via their website if you don't get the program in your area. Should be interesting, he's going to discuss his take on September 11th.

LINK

13 posted on 09/05/2002 1:27:00 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Izzy Dunne
I think that it is best if former Presidents do their consulting in private and not via the press. You have bought the press whine hook, line and sinker.

There is a time and a place and just because Clinton and Carter don't know proper protocol, I believe that former President Bush does.

14 posted on 09/05/2002 1:29:37 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: Lance Romance
I can't believe the old bat uses "W" when speaking of the President. She has no respect for anyone unless it's her idol Bubba.
15 posted on 09/05/2002 1:33:15 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: anniegetyourgun
I can't read this article. Please, just let me get the duct tape. (Wide)
16 posted on 09/05/2002 1:50:14 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: w1andsodidwe
You have bought the press whine hook, line and sinker.

What the heck are YOU on about?
My post included a quote from Helen T., in case you didn't notice.

17 posted on 09/05/2002 2:41:45 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne
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To: Izzy Dunne
OOPs!! My apology. I read your post wrong. Will try and read more carefully next time.
18 posted on 09/05/2002 2:54:12 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: CHUCKfromCAL
"It is time to form the Arab-American Brigade. We need to give all americans of Arab decent a chance to show their
patroitism. They could serve as the point element for the coming American Military action in Iraq. "

In WW II the Japanese citizens of this country did just that. The Nissi batallion was one of the most decorated units in history. They were warriors I doubt that our Arab citizens have the same courage. My two Marine Corps sons have that courage and will have to take up the slack. Just my thoughts. Semper Fi

best regards

dozer7
19 posted on 09/05/2002 3:10:17 PM PDT by dozer7
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To: Lil'freeper
The face that launched a thousand ships.
20 posted on 09/06/2002 6:57:58 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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