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Israel to expel militants' relatives (PRICE OF SUICIDE BOMBING: UP)
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| September 3, 2002
| BBC News
Posted on 09/03/2002 5:20:12 AM PDT by MadIvan
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This is not a perfect ruling, but it does pave the way for making the price of suicide bombing even higher: now, not only will suicide bombers make it so their families' homes get demolished, their families will be expelled too. Good.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:20:13 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
To: Dog; Desdemona; texasbluebell; Amelia; nopardons; general_re; dighton; alisasny; Cacique; alfa6; ...
Bump!
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:20:34 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
To: MadIvan
Which is better/worse, putting the relatives of enemies in an interrment camp (a la WWII Japanese) or expelling them from the country?
I'm among those who think that the interment made a modicum of sense, however, there's no way that property should not have been retained in the name of the interred and returned when the crisis was over.
I will say the same here, that the expulsion of suspects during war is an understandable thing. However, there must be just compensation for property lost; or a right to regain property after the crisis is over.
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:28:31 AM PDT
by
xzins
To: MadIvan
And they are all so related and incestuously inbred, if you just figure out who is who we can get them all this way.
Every last Muslim must go, God has willed it.
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:31:27 AM PDT
by
crystalk
To: xzins
However, there must be just compensation for property lost; or a right to regain property after the crisis is over. You forget, these are people who also received $25K from Saddam.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:33:03 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
To: MadIvan
Good riddance to bad rubbish
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:34:24 AM PDT
by
Jmouse007
To: MadIvan
You forget, these are people who also received $25K from Saddam. Regards, Ivan
I did forget that. However, it doesn't speak to what Israel should do. They should do what appears to be right in terms of property and possessions.
First, because it is right. Second, because it is a public, visible event.
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:36:49 AM PDT
by
xzins
To: MadIvan
They could always execute them - just like the Palestinians do with "collaborators" after being tortured into confessing
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posted on
09/03/2002 5:46:29 AM PDT
by
2banana
To: MadIvan
The two are accused of providing logistical support for their brother, helping him avoid capture and having moved bombs... The IDF said Intisar had sewn explosives into a belt used by a suicide bomber in one of the attacks.
... Legal experts say the decision means Israel cannot expel people merely to deter future attacks, and that the army will have to provide proof of some form of involvement before it can issue expulsion orders.
Heck, these people who were moved from one part of Palestine to another part of Palestine (for only two years!) made bombs and actualy helped the bomber. In the states they would not be expelled to another neighborhood, but jailed on a dozen counts of accessory to murder. They are getting off FAR to light I think.
I think life in Jail for a bomb maker is a bit light though.
To: MadIvan
This is good news. Now on to the main objective...deport arabic illegals from the USA.
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posted on
09/03/2002 6:28:23 AM PDT
by
Mixer
To: MadIvan
![](http://www.bollingerasa.com/Umpire-out.gif)
Israel to relatives of Pallie bombers:
YER OUT OF HERE!
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posted on
09/03/2002 6:30:26 AM PDT
by
dennisw
To: American in Israel
Heck, these people who were moved from one part of Palestine to another part of Palestine (for only two years!)There is hope. Maybe the war between Hamas and al-Aqsa will claim them :)
Seriously, my fear is that this may promote more cooperation between them.
When they started talking about expulsion, I assumed that they meant from the country. It never occurred to me that this is what they had in mind.
To: 2banana
"They could always execute them - just like the Palestinians do with "collaborators" after being tortured into confessing."I don't understand why they didn't jail and try them as accessories.
To: xzins
It ruled that the Ajouris could be expelled from their home in the Iskar refugee camp in Nablus to the Gaza Strip for two years. It's doubtful these people owned any property. They have been living off the teat of the U.N. in refugee camps. War and fundamental nutty stuff is all they know or live for. Remember, it's one of the reasons they hate us and the West, what they perceive as our materialism and secular way of life. They aren't real big on acquiring property or "things." There will be nothing to return to them.
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posted on
09/03/2002 6:48:12 AM PDT
by
PLK
To: MadIvan
![](http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020903/t/1031053065.2550341722.jpg) |
Palestinians Kifah Ajouri (L) his sister Intisar Ajouri (C) and Abed Nasser Asidi sit in Israel's Supreme Court in Jerusalem, September 3, 2002. Israel's Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday in favor of the deportation of Intisar and Kifah Ajouri, accused by Israel of assisting their brother to carry out a bombing, but it rejected the deportation of Asidi. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen - Sep 03 7:37 AM ET |
To: MadIvan
Palestinian officials called the decision a "black day for human rights" and said they might file a complaint with the UN Security Council and the International Criminal Court. Ah yes! I see a pattern forming! 'I don't like what my sovereign national Supreme Court sez, so I'm going to the ICC!!'
Grand. The ICC could turn every legal issue in the world into a Floriduh-supreme-court-type fiasco. Scary.
Other things to note:
- The Israeli Judiciary is putting restrictions on what the IDF can and cannot do _EVEN IN TIMES OF OBVIOUS WAR_. As opposed to our administration which advocates extra-judicial detention in certain conditions, when we are certainly under less seige than Israel.
- The families are being expelled from a REFUGEE camp for being a potential danger. Not for being an accessory to murder, but only if the IDF proves that they might be a future threat to security.
So on the one hand, their judiciary reigns in the military, and at the same time, they participate in the prevention of "future crimes." A mixed bag fer sure.
Justice would see these families as accessories to murder dance on the end of a rope for all potential "future threats" to see!
To: sam_paine
It is a bit different in this case. Think about it this way - the families of these bombers are
potential beneficiaries of the crime. Particularly, as according to this standard, if they actively help in the crime, surely some punishment should befall them? Expulsion in light of this is mild.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
09/03/2002 7:14:15 AM PDT
by
MadIvan
To: MadIvan
"The Israeli army said the brother and sister - 28-year-old Kifah and 34-year-old Intisar Ajouri - knew in advance about their brother Ali's plan to carry out attacks but did not act to prevent them." Imprison them for failure to notify the police of an impending attack. That is plain old rule-of-law stuff, and keeps them off the streets for many years legitimately.
I agree with the deportation policy, but not when there is a clearer, more elegant, justified route like imprisonment.
To: MadIvan
Send every POS terrorist family to Paris or some other Euro Trash country in love with the PA Islamakazis!
Your son or daughter, brother or sister, niece or nephew becomes a suicide bomber, you are out of here ASAP. Enjoy your new life in Paris.
We will seize your assets including the blood money from Saddam or the Opecker Princes for payment of your suicide bomber POS. Your home will be razed or turned into a dog pound.
To: xzins
I am new to this forum, so please do not take what I have to say as a personal attack or that I am accusing you of anything.
They should do what appears to be right in terms of property and possessions.
What "appears" to be right is evidently a matter of opinion, don't you think? It appears the world is holding Israel up to a different standard than it applies to anyone else. I can't think of a single country in the world at any point in history which has treated their enemies with the simple decency that Israel has done. Can you?
First, because it is right.
Why should Israel do what YOU think is right? Nothing personal, of course, but why should Israel do what anyone else thinks is "right"? Israel must do what it thinks is right and bear the consequences.....just like the rest of the world.
Second, because it is a public, visible event.
Interesting. Israel appears to be the only country in the world held up to such close scrutiny. Perhaps they should take the attitude that "since the world doesn't care when our citizens are murdered, we shouldn't care when the rest of the world thinks we are "mistreating" the Arabs." What do you think?
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