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National expert blames side effects of depression medication
The Great Falls Tribune ^ | 8/28/2002 | Kim Skornogoski

Posted on 08/28/2002 5:29:46 AM PDT by CholeraJoe

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:33:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: CholeraJoe
**You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded. **

Absolutely not true, Joe. Look at the numbers, if you're so inclined. Beyond that, public school teachers (many of them) teach classes they themselves aren't qualified for. Perhaps you should be beating down their doors than the household doors of homeschoolers. :o)

21 posted on 08/28/2002 6:56:48 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: elk
bump
22 posted on 08/28/2002 6:58:14 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Al B.
Watch what her lawyer does and says....that'll be the clue.

Right now she's being defended by the Public Defender. We'll see if she gets outside counsel. Keep ya posted.

23 posted on 08/28/2002 7:01:04 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: Slyfox; a history buff
fyi
24 posted on 08/28/2002 7:09:22 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: CholeraJoe; chookter; Orual; aculeus; general_re
Ann Blake Tracy, director for the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, blames the medication, saying it's been involved in numerous bizarre murders across the country.

Scientologists?

25 posted on 08/28/2002 7:10:58 AM PDT by dighton
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To: CholeraJoe
Yates, the Columbine school slayings, the shooting death of comedian Phil Hartman, whose wife then killed herself. All the protagonists had been taking Paxil or other antidepressants in the same drug family

I for one do believe that these drugs lead to these incidents. And, yet, more and more people are taking psychiatric medications which are becoming more and more acceptable. Soon, no one will have to be responsible for his or her own actions. Everyone who commits murder will be able to sue a pharmaceutical company.

26 posted on 08/28/2002 7:18:50 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: CholeraJoe
One undergraduate and two graduate degrees plus five years of teaching experience at the graduate level. None of in education or education related courses.
. . . and no experience in homeschooling. We're even in that respect.
You cannot legitimately teach a subject to anyone unless you have a grasp of the subject itself. If someone who barely finished high school themselves expects to be able to instruct their 15 year old in Algebra, they are seriously deluded.
If someone barely finished high school, there will be a reason or three:
lack of intelligence,

lack of motivation, or

lack of educational opportunity.

Presumably we can agree that homeschooling is not the easy way. Those who choose it, and especially those who stick with it, will be motivated.

Likewise I hope we can agree that people who find learning hard, and are being told by those in authority that public school IS education, are extremely unlikely to undertake to be authorities on Advanced Placement Calculus (a subject in which, as it happens, my daughter needed my help; she wasn't given the prerequisites and thus benefited from my BS education).

Those who barely finished high school who are motivated to tutor their children will almost exclusively be those whose own educational opportunities were substandard. Such people will as I suggested benefit from the learning experience of teaching their children.

two graduate degrees plus five years of teaching experience at the graduate level.
Teaching at the graduate level implies teaching people only a few years--at most--below your own educational attainment. That is an undertaking from which you presumably learned a good deal about your subject of specialization. This is highly analogous to our weakly-trained high school graduate after five years of teaching her/his child elementary subjects. Either the parent will at some stage decide that "this is too hard" or--more likely--the child will encourage the parent to learn cooperatively with him/her. In that case more total education occurs than if the child were to actually be taught successfully (contrary, in the hypothesis, to the expectations of the parent) by the public school.

I am put in mind of my older daughter, who somehow just yearned to be smarter about something than I was (you can understand that that was quite a challenge to undertake at an early age). LOL! In college she undertook to learn Chaucer in the Old English original, and took satisfaction in the fact that I was clueless about it. If a homeschooled student were to react in a manner remotely similar to that, he/she would come to adulthood rather well educated, don't you think?


27 posted on 08/28/2002 7:31:33 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: hobbes1; CholeraJoe
JOE SAID: Jeanette Swanson was a certified teacher who taught in the Great Falls School system for a number of years.

HOBBES1 SAID: "Even more of a link with the Yates Killings." I would submit, that this angle reclassifies it, as well as the Yates murders, from Homeshooling, to the media blacked out anti-depressant category of assorted murders, school shootings and suicides.........

I agree on the new angle, Hobbes (my husband used to use that screenname, btw). But, let's make another point here: According to CJ, this woman was also a public schoolteacher at one time. Now, wouldn't it be ridiculous for someone to claim that she committed murder because she was a public schoolteacher? That's what drives us crazy about claims that homeschooling led to murder. The media continued to harp about Yates homeschooling for months without stopping to consider the facts: For example, in the Yates case, only one or two of her children were probably old enough to attend school, anyway. (In our district, you have to turn five by Oct. 1 to qualify for Kindergarten which is only a 2-hour class). Plus, the crime occurred in the summertime when school probably wouldn't have been in session, anyway. So, in essence, they're now defining all so-called "stay-at-home moms" as homeschoolers. Might as well say that motherhood leads to murder, eh?

28 posted on 08/28/2002 7:36:52 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Might as well say that motherhood leads to murder, eh?

Every year 1.5 million mothers murder their unborn children in this country.

29 posted on 08/28/2002 7:39:13 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: Tired of Taxes
I tried a number of different antidepressants during my divorce and there were indeed some freaky side effects. After some really creepy nightmares I decided I'd tough out the divorce with out they happy pills. lol
30 posted on 08/28/2002 7:40:51 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: CholeraJoe
Every year 1.5 million mothers murder their unborn children in this country.

Making Motherhood, the largest defacto cause of murder in the world today.....(Now that communism has been all but extinguished...)

31 posted on 08/28/2002 7:42:27 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: CholeraJoe
Nice comeback BTW ; )

Though we could do alot more with it over at DU.....lol

32 posted on 08/28/2002 7:43:08 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: CholeraJoe
Every year 1.5 million mothers murder their unborn children in this country.

And, every year, fathers murder their children, too. Does that mean fatherhood leads to murder? Husbands murder their wives, and vice-versa. Does that mean that marriage leads to murder? I'm sure you get the point now.

33 posted on 08/28/2002 7:44:36 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
not a million and a half.....
34 posted on 08/28/2002 7:45:48 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: xsmommy
Temperament is more important in teaching than credentials or even knowledge. It is common for gifted students to surpass their teachers in knowledge.

Actually there is a lot of research on what makes an effective teacher. The only thing that all effective teachers have in common is that they are nice people.

35 posted on 08/28/2002 7:52:43 AM PDT by js1138
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To: hobbes1
Though we could do alot more with it over at DU.....lol

Never find me over there.

36 posted on 08/28/2002 7:55:17 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: hobbes1
Nice try to change the topic, but this isn't a debate about abortion. And, even a trillion abortions still would not show that "motherhood" or even "pregnancy" leads to murder.

Simple logic here, fellas. Let's try again: When a man murders another man, does that mean that "manhood" led him to murder? When a student murders other students, does that mean that "being a student" leads to murder? Hello?
37 posted on 08/28/2002 7:59:44 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: flying Elvis
After some really creepy nightmares I decided I'd tough out the divorce with out they happy pills. lol

It certainly has become increasingly acceptable for anyone to use these medications. I heard that a form of Prozac is now marketed over-the-counter to women for PMS syndrome. (Of course, it comes in a little pink box with flowers on it). I know a woman diagnosed with scizophrenia (sp?). And, even she has managed to keep it under control without medication. She used medication through the years, but always with disastrous side effects.

38 posted on 08/28/2002 8:05:01 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: dighton
Scientologists?

Yes.

Is this the depressives ping list?

39 posted on 08/28/2002 8:19:55 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: chookter
Is this the depressives ping list?

I'd tell you, but I haven't got the energy to do it. What's the use anyway?

;-)

40 posted on 08/28/2002 8:30:45 AM PDT by dighton
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