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More than 6 million people behind bars or on probation or parole
AP via Boston.com ^ | 8/25/02 | Jonathan D. Salant

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:53:36 PM PDT by GeneD

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- One in every 32 adults in the United States was behind bars or on probation or parole by the end of last year, according to a government report Sunday that found a record 6.6 million people in the nation's correctional system.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: criminaljustice; prisons
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1 posted on 08/25/2002 5:53:36 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
Is this true? These numbers are huge.
2 posted on 08/25/2002 6:00:05 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: GeneD
and not one of them is Clinton...
3 posted on 08/25/2002 6:02:21 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: GeneD

4 posted on 08/25/2002 6:06:17 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: TADSLOS
These are just the number in jail or on probation at one time. What percent of the population has ever been convicted of a felony? 5%? 10%? What percentage of black men have been convicted of a felony? 20%? 50%? When you consider how hard it is to get a job with a felony conviction, and that you can not vote or own a firearm, the significance of these numbers becomes apparant. I wonder how these numbers break down for felonies vs misdemeanors and for crimes against property and people vs crimes against the law.
5 posted on 08/25/2002 6:13:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: GeneD
If this is what it takes to keep dangerous scum off the street so be it.

Actually, this is the result of the last decades of social permissiveness and Dr. Spock's philosophy of ego inflating of the child. Let's not forget the failure of the drug war and the use of drugs to undermine America. This bubble will eventually lose air as parents get a grip on kids' behavior. Let's hope anyway.

6 posted on 08/25/2002 6:14:07 PM PDT by eleni121
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To: eleni121
Spanking...
7 posted on 08/25/2002 6:21:27 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: GeneD
I've put my fair share in the can, what's wrong with the rest of you slackers???
8 posted on 08/25/2002 6:26:47 PM PDT by Gwaihir
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To: marktwain
It just hit me, an ex-felon barred from firearms has an incentive to support gun banning for the the rest of us.

Also, I wonder to what degree banning ex-felons from guns makes poor neighborhoods less safe.

9 posted on 08/25/2002 6:33:21 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
It just hit me, an ex-felon barred from firearms has an incentive to support gun banning for the the rest of us.

Also, I wonder to what degree banning ex-felons from guns makes poor neighborhoods less safe.

Exactly. There are so many laws on the books, and so many have been made felonies, that most of us are probably uncaught felons. This is not apparant until you become the object of attention. For example, in Arizona, when you were 18 - 25, did you ever sexually touch someone under the are of 18? You committed a felony. Did you possess a gun that was not in a locked container while within a thousand feet of school property? Another felony. Did you send money to one of the hundreds of organizations connected to Bin Laden, most of them disguised as charities? Another felony. How about protesting within so many feet of an abortion clinic? Isn't that a felony also?

What is so scary about this, is as we become a surveilance society, with cameras everywhere, and the ability of the state to digitally retrieve all information about us, the ability to selectively prosecute those who oppose the policies of office holders becomes real. And nobody in the media is at all concerned with Clinton's abuse of the IRS.

10 posted on 08/25/2002 6:48:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: widowithfoursons
The numbers really are huge. People are arrested for everything now. Driving your car without restraints (seat belt laws), being out at night (curfews for teenagers - curfews for adults will come later if we don't do something) and of course there are all sorts of laws related to the 'War on Drugs.'

The recent stories about K-Mart shoppers in Houston being arrested seem to be part of a growing trend. Talk about a blue light special!
11 posted on 08/25/2002 6:55:15 PM PDT by Maurice Tift
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To: GeneD
How many are in there because of this Insane WOD
12 posted on 08/25/2002 6:57:06 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: GeneD
"If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." That's what Robert Blake said as Dectective Barretta. Of course he's whistling a different tune now that he's Defendant Blake, instead. (And, what ever happened to the cockatoo, Fred?)

Since most criminals commit many more crimes than they are arrested for, much less (with plea bargaining) sentenced for, the very best form of crime prevention is to keep criminals locked up. Why is that so hard to understand?

Incarceration is up. Crime is down. Do these dummies think that's just an accident? Might there be, could there be, a slight relationship between locking up criminals and less crime being committed in the streets?

Congressman Billybob

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13 posted on 08/25/2002 7:42:13 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
1991 BJS 45% of them committed crimes while on Parole or Probation including 13,200 homicides BJS PAROLE Probation and Parole Violators in State Prison, 1991: Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report

August 1995, NCJ-149076

(Note: This file does not contain data tables. The full text with tables is available from the Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse, 800-732-3277. Use title and NCJ number to order.)

By Robyn L. Cohen BJS Statistician

In 1991, 45% of State prisoners were persons who, at the time they committed their offense, were under conditional supervision in the community--either on probation or on parole.

Based on the offense that brought them to prison, the 162,000 probation violators committed at least 6,400 murders, 7,400 rapes, 10,400 assaults, and 17,000 robberies, while under supervision in the community an average of 17 months.

Based on the offense that brought parolees back to prison, these 156,000 offenders committed at least 6,800 murders, 5,500 rapes, 8,800 assaults, and 22,500 robberies, while under supervision in the community an average of 13 months.

SEE LINK for complete report

14 posted on 08/25/2002 8:54:38 PM PDT by GailA
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To: GailA
These are very interesting numbers.

Lets see... 318,000 prisoners returned to prison. 13,200 muders, 12,800 rapes, 9,840 assaults, 40,100 robberies

We don't know what kind of overlap there is per prisoner,

We have 318,000 prisoners and about 77000 crimes, or about four times as many prisoners as serious crimes. I am most certainly missing something here. Are most prisoners going back to jail for victimless crimes like drug possession?

Or are a lot of these crimes ones with victims, like burglaries, that are not mentioned?

15 posted on 08/25/2002 9:41:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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ping
16 posted on 08/26/2002 12:53:43 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: widowithfoursons
Is this true? These numbers are huge.

Yes. Thanks to the rediculous DUI massive overkill, they'll have a record of every adult male in America soon.

Don't bother lecturing me on the evils of driving and drinking, because you have no idea what the states are now doing--though no doubt you will one day soon. It's HUGHE guaranteed income for certain interest groups.

Welcome to the New Millineum--where every citizen is an enemy of the state. And the State has become the enemy of the people.

17 posted on 08/26/2002 1:07:11 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: GeneD
Everyone should get a kick out of this website: Dumb Laws Broken down by state and international....a hell of a read.
18 posted on 08/26/2002 5:10:32 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: JediGirl
Wow! 6 million! How many would you guess are currently in prison and jail because of simple marijuana possession (no intent to sell)? Listening to the dopers, you would think maybe a million, maybe 500,000, maybe 100,000?

How about 15,400? Check it out for yourself.

19 posted on 08/26/2002 7:48:33 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: marktwain
This particular BJS study only looked at parolees/probationers and the violent crimes they committed while out on parole/probation.

Here is another one to BLOW your mind a just released RECIDIVISM report.

RECIDIVISIM (repeat offenders)

20 posted on 08/27/2002 9:47:39 AM PDT by GailA
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