THE 'GAY SPIN ZONE'

American Family Association ^ | August 21, 2002 | Stephen Bennett

[EdReform]

"You are preaching to the choir here."

That's true and I ask those who see the links I post over and over again to consider that there are many lurkers here at Free Republic who may see the links for the first time. I have also received several FreepMails and replies from Freepers who tell me they've seen the information for the first time and thank me for posting it.

There are still many people who haven't heard of Fistgate - I know because I spend more time introducing people to the evils of the homosexual agenda than I do posting on Free Republic. A number of people I've spoken with, who had believed the homosexual propaganda machine, are appalled when they listen to the tape and consider the documentation I post. People are starting to realize that they've been lied to. I intend to greatly increase the number of people who realize this.

I do post a lot of information and I try to document as much as possible -- I feel the reader can decide for him/herself.

I'll be back later...

[scripter]

That's true and I ask those who see the links I post over and over again to consider that there are many lurkers here at Free Republic who may see the links for the first time.

That's the main reason I post similar articles and bump and ping the articles you ping me to. There are just too many folks out there who haven't seen the information. I also send the articles to a small nation wide mailing list who in turn pass the information along (I hope). The goal is to inform as man folks as possible about the misinformation the media provides.

[Antoninus]

Don't make the mistake of considering either of them to be reputable news sources. All their original content is simply interpretive bias, heavy on distortions, and with some outright lies thrown in for good measure.

I won't made the mistake of considering YOU a reputable source for anything. You still cling to the "consider the source" falacy, though not a valid argument for rational discussion. Your original claim was that NO ONE was trying to convince children and the American public that homosexuality is a 'good' thing. This statement is simply and provably UNTRUE. That you immediately turn from supporting this statement to attacking MassNews and the PRC shows me that you are utterly unable to defend it.

Yes, Fistgate happened and no amount of contextualizing can erase the fact that disgusting sex practices were presented to children as normal.

Yes, radical homosexual activists are attempting to promote their lifestyles to children in public schools in certain states. I maintain my position that if you can't acknowledge this, you are either invicibly ignorant, or else yourself a propagandist for this wicked effort.

[Antoninus]

Oh, and by the way, thanks for bumping this thread so many times. It has now come to the attention of dozens, maybe hundreds more people than it might have otherwise.

For any of you who might be afflicted with SSAD, I pray that you will follow this link and read the material carefully. Your soul may be at stake. Beneticat vos omnipotens Deus.

Homosexuality and Hope: A Report of the Catholic Medical Association

[EdReform]

"Oh… by the way… that “Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex” editorial? That occurred at a private conference, not in a public school class or curriculum. See Context Matters."

Context Matters - written by a lesbian who says she is "a self defined gay and lesbian activist, woman's rights activist, AIDS activist, child rights activist, and educator" who, at age 16, "fell in love with a woman for the first time and recognized it as being In Love." Also became active in the Metropolitan Community Church (of course we are familiar with some of the activities that take place in the MCC). The author's bio is located here.

Well let's see what Ms Beal has to say:

Context Matters
by Cindy Beal

Uploaded on May 2, 2000. Last updated May 4, 2000.
Media links page last updated May 17, 2000.

"My information here is a based on a number of sources, primarily Margot Ables, one of the presenters of the workshops in question. It is also based on my own research and knowledge of the political right in Massachusetts, HIV/AIDS education, effective prevention programs, and Gay Straight Alliances. Although I ordered the tape of this workshop, as offered in the email version of this article, it has not yet arrived. Because of this I am as of yet unable to provide a transcript of the workshop (and until legal questions about the copyright, distribution and confidentiality questions are answered, I will not personally provide that transcript.) I stand by the facts as presented here insofar as I have been able to discover them."

Context Matters - Last updated May 4, 2000. Primary source of information - Margot Ables, one of the presenters of the workshops. Ordered the Fistgate Tape but hadn't received it as of the May 4, 2000 update of the web site, meaning she wrote her "neutral" and "unbiased" essay without ever considering what was actually discussed at the conference. There is no mention on her site of ever actually interviewing Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman to hear their side of the story.

Even though The Fistgate Tape is on-line here, Ms Beal has, to our knowledge, never even listened to the tape. It's been over two years since her site has been updated. There is no excuse for her not reordering the tape if, in fact, she never received it. Or perhaps she did receive the tape and was so appalled by it's contents that she just dropped it. It that's the case, she should take down the Context Matters web page.

Contex Matters - pure homosexual propaganda, madg. It presents the homosexual side of the story as written by a homosexual activist. And you want us to consider that Ms Beal's writings are neutral and unbiased?

As for what occurred at the "private" Fistgate conference, I will address that in another reply.

[Marysecretary]

NOT TRUE. Christ can and does change people's lives. And that includes gays and pedophiles and and and. Sometimes they go back to their lifestyle, that's true, but many do not. You don't hear about them, though, do you LO IQ? You just want to make fun of those who fail. We all fail in one or two areas of our lives until we begin to take God seriously and ask for His help and guidance.

[Jim Scott]

Thanks for your reply.

As most of the important points on this issue have already been raised and discussed, I'll limit myself to this part of your response.

I strongly disagree that homosexuality is "being awarded nothing but positive spin in the media..." That's a demonstrably false statement. The internet is a medium... do you really think that ALL portrayals of homosexuality are positive?

I would say that about 95% of the portrayals of homosexuality in the media, especially in movies and the occasional TV portrayal (outside of the weekly 'Will & Grace' show)are quite positive. The dangers of contracting AIDS - far higher for homosexual males - and STD's are never mentioned. The serial sexual 'partners' - sometimes serviced through cut-outs in toilet stalls - in one evening are also rarely portrayed, if at all. Permanent life-long homosexual 'partnerships' are often portrayed as the norm, when they are not, no more than they are with hetrosexual marriages, unfortunately.

Was the coverage of Matthew Sheppard's murder "positive?" The guy was beaten to death, for Heaven's sake... how is that positive?!

Matthew Sheppard has been elevated to martyr status by the general media and his murder is a focal point for homosexual organizations attempting to have new laws passed that specifically protect homosexuals; 'hate crime' laws.

The murder of Matthew Sheppard has been used to benefit homosexuals by portraying them as frightened, threatened potential victims needing extra legal protections. Sheppard's cruel death has also been the genesis for the claim that any negative remarks aimed at homosexuals is now tantamount to encouraging the murder of homosexuals, hence even the mildest criticism of homosexual behavior is often condemned as 'hate speech'. That is a fact.

We're getting bashed constantly, both literally and figuratively. When was the last time you read a "pro-gay" portrayal in WND, CNS, or Agape Press? It is simply ridiculous to claim that all portrayals are positive.

The outlets you mention generally do not give homosexuality a positive spin but they are three out of thousands of secular newspapers, magazines, TV and radio stations that certainly are pro-homosexual.

When was the last time you read anything negative regarding homosexuals or homosexual behavior in the New York Times, the News, USA Today, Time, Newsweek, etc? Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw aren't going to be doing any negative stories about homosexuals, other than to portray them as victims needing more laws to protect them.

The major media centers in America are uniformly pro-homosexual in their coverage of homosexual issues. To deny that fact is to deny reality. That a handful of conservative and Christian news services and TV or radio stations oppose homosexual behavior does not make for any kind of balance.

Sexual orientation (homo-bi-hetero) is an innocuous human quality. There is no reason why it shouldn't be portrayed as such.

Homosexual behavior is destructive and dangerous to health. It is not innocuous when it is manifested onto young boys as sodomy by priests, teachers, coaches or relatives, humiliating them and often causing lifelong emotional problems.

It is not innocuous when the deadly virus AIDS is passed on to unsuspecting wives and girlfriends through bi-sexual men.

It is not innocuous when young people entering puberty and confused about the changes in their bodies and new emotions are taught by the authority figures in public schools that homosexuality is totally normal and even attractive. That is pure propaganda hiding behind the guise of 'information'.

The point of the article was that homosexuality is being made to appear normal as apple pie when in fact, it is not. You believe that it is and I and many others disagree. That stated, the fact that homosexuality is being covered constantly and in a positive way by most of the mass media is simply not arguable, in my opinion. That this positive portrayal is harmful to society at large as homosexuality is harmful to the individual is also clear to me. Claims that homosexuals 'just wish to be left alone' ring very false. There have been many examples posted already that show that not to be the case.

Homosexuals clearly want to have what many consider a sexual pervasion elevated to a legal and social status almost above hetrosexuality, with special laws and regulations that 'protect' homosexuals from even hearing a negative word regarding their 'preference'.

This is what Bennett was writing about; the drumbeat that media keeps sounding where nothing homosexual can ever be wrong, harmful, negative in any way, much less criticized. I agree with him. You do not and have made a spirited defense here but I believe the facts are clear. We seem to interpret those facts quite differently. Understandable.

Thanks for your input.

[scripter]

Homosexual behavior is destructive and dangerous to health.

It sure is. Sodomy: A Public Health Risk.

[EdReform]

"It doesn’t matter, Ed, because you continue to fail to realize that it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SCHOOL SEX ED CURRICULUMS!"

It DOES matter, madg, because two times you've held out the homosexual activist web page "Context Matters" as a reliable source of "what really happened" at the Fistgate conference. According to the information posted, the lesbian author of the web page hasn't even bothered to listen to the tape on-line. So how does she know if the conference has anything to do with public school sex ed curriculums or not? Because a conference instructor told her so?

"It’s clearly evident how much you love to talk about “Fistgate,” but it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SCHOOL SEX ED CURRICULUMS!"

Wait and see -- documentation is in process.

(Although it will probably be tomorrow before I can finish compiling and post the reply)

[EdReform]

"I find it odd how people like him insists on focussing upon inconsequential matters. Like the Kirk & Madsen book, for example... I don't know ANYBODY who has read it. I wonder if it's still available; and I wonder how pertinent it would be considering that it's 13 years out-of-date. I've never even SEEN a copy of that book."

Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) approved materials for use in its “diversity” curriculum -‘Models of Pride II’ reading list

"The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) approved materials for use in its “diversity” curriculum were discussed. The sexually explicit and inappropriate materials are being presented in elementary school through high school. Listed below are some of these materials obtained under court order in a federal lawsuit:

Young Gay, & Proud – AlyCat Books, Alyson Publications

The Gay Quote Book – Brandon Judell – A Plume Book

After the Ball – Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen

Passages of Pride– Kurt Chandler – Alyson Books – Los Angeles

One Teenager In 10 – Alyson Publications, Inc. – Boston

What Did They Say About Gays – Allan Gould

Know About Gays and Lesbians – by Margaret O. Hyde and Elizabeth H. Forsythe, M.D. – The Millbrook Press – Brookfield, Conn.

Straight Answers About Homosexuality for Straight Readers – David Loovis

Looking At Gay and Lesbian Life– Warren Blumenfeld/Diane Raymond

[ArGee]

Ed, Ed, Ed. Why do you keep presenting facts? It isn't about facts any more than the atheistic position is about lack of evidence.

People will believe what they want to believe - even those who believe in the truth.

We can't reason with these monsters who want to destroy our culture with their sexual perversions that lead (according to Romans 1) to a level of greed which will destroy us all (Enron anyone?). Our only choice is to defeat them with raw political power. But be prepared for a war. I have a friend who says the pro-aborts have tried to kill him.

Shalom.

[Houmatt]

I do not recognize those individuals. (Larry Kramer and Pat Califa) Regardless, what makes you think that they are the "voice" of the "gay community?"

For someone who seems to be wanting to give the impression they know what they are talking about, you sure have slipped. If you do not know who they are or what part they have thus far played in the homosexual wrongs movement, then you are woefully ignorant. Time to hit the books.

If you REALLY want to know how the "gay community" feels about NAMBLA, read The NAMBLA Controversy. That is nothing more than a series of messages regarding NAMBLA's attempts to insert themselves into a Pride event. You will see that the "community" is universally opposed to them.

Sure they are. And that is why the homosexual community had distanced themselves from the likes of Kramer, Califa, and Judith Levine, author of a recent book that sings the praises of the sexual abuse of children.

What's that you say? They have not done that? Oops. My bad.

Let's put it this way... NO theory on sexual orientation determination has been conclusively proven. It hasn't happened. Whenever ANYONE tries to tell you what "causes" sexual orientation, they are expressing an opinion, not fact.

Actually, that defies common sense. Every single species of life on this planet is supposed to survive by way of procreation. Focusing solely on humans, this can only occur between a man and a woman.

In other words, if God had meant for men to be together sexually, he would have created Adam and Steve. And neither one of us would be here, would we?

We were NOT provided with "proof." We were provided with propaganda and anecdotes.

And how do you know this if you do not and will not bother to read it?

More importantly, my claim is the sex ed does not "[encourage] America's students [...] to be promiscuous and try the joys of homosexual sex..." as Bennett claims. ("Horror stories" from the political right notwithstanding.)

While sex education, as we know it, may not exclusively promote homosexual activity, we do know, indeed, it nevertheless does promote sex. This is seen by the fact abstinence-based sex education has directly contributed to a drop in teen pregnancies.

I said that I was open to discussing different points of view with people. Dumping propaganda is not the same thing as participating in a discussion. I use pertinent links to support my opinions. I don't just throw a bunch of links at you and say: "HERE! Read THIS!" That would be intellectually vacuous.

Your hypocrisy had not gone unnoticed.

[Houmatt]

They haven't "reported" anything... at least not in a journalistic sense.

Don't make the mistake of considering either of them to be reputable news sources. All their original content is simply interpretive bias, heavy on distortions, and with some outright lies thrown in for good measure.

It never ceases to amaze me, how quickly I run out of patience when I see things like this.

Well, Madg, it all comes down to this: Did these things happen, or didn't they (and a simple yes or no will suffice, thanks)? And if they did not, how can you prove such is the case?