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Informers from the Left [Liberal Jews assist in propigating Arab propaganda]
IsraelNationalNews.com | August 12, 2002 | Moshe Feiglin

Posted on 08/13/2002 7:19:02 AM PDT by 1bigdictator

Informers From the Left Moshe Feiglin 12 August 2002 Email this story Print this story

What is this business with the Peace Bloc all about? What makes them wish to inform on IDF officers at the International Court in the Hague? Have they gone out of their minds? How could they commit such blatant acts of treachery?

Two elements are involved in this issue.

The first is an ancient Jewish mental illness. The phenomenon of a Jew who runs to betray his fellow Jews to the Gentiles is not a new one. It began with the Hebrew who hit his brother and then informed on Moshe, continued with the Jewish department in the NKVD (the predecessor of the KGB) and can be seen today with people like extreme Leftist Uri Avneri. Identification with the enemy, embarrassment with one´s Jewish identity, the need to demonstrate to the Gentile that one is OK – not like the other Jews, whom I also hate - all these symptoms, together with others that I´ve probably forgotten, are nothing new in Jewish history. Now this illness takes the form of the garbage put out by Uri Avneri´s Peace Bloc people and others who hate their own nation. Their self-anti-Semitism is so great that they don´t care in the least what the general public thinks of them when they try to obtain the names of the Israel Air Force pilots who bomb terrorists and send these names to the International Court in the Hague.

Yet, there is also another, logical element, which must be faced up to. If we don´t do so, experience shows that, just as in the Oslo process, this "logic" may also become accepted. In other words, if we do not now analyze the logic behind the demand of the Peace Bloc, this same logic will convince more and more of the population, and in the end the mob will drag IDF officers out of their homes and bundle them into the vans for UN prisoners. This sounds crazy? Just recall for a moment how the mob danced around the golden calf of Oslo, welcomed Yasser Arafat with open arms, and gave his gang of murderers vast quantities of weapons and ammunition.

So what is the logic behind these acts of treachery? In fact, the actions of the Peace Bloc traitors are very logical, far more so than the policy of the government. Prime Minister Sharon has repeatedly declared that he wants to establish a Palestinian State. After the Likud Center gave Sharon a lesson in patriotism, the Prime Minister has been careful not to repeat his remarks explicitly, but he is certainly continuing to support the idea. "The Palestinians deserve to live in their own country," he says today. The significance of this is that according to Israel´s official policy, the Arab side (known as the Palestinians) is in the right and the Israeli side is in the wrong. This is a very simple equation: if Israel states explicitly that the very heart of Eretz Israel belongs to the Arabs, this means that we Israelis are robbing them of their country as long as we live in it. We Israelis are apologizing and explaining that we have no alternative. We proclaim that we will leave right away if they will only give us a little peace; however, the issue is not one of security, but of justice. The country belongs to them, we are occupying it, they are in the right and we are robbers.

It´s as simple as that.

The traitors from the peace movements have in recent years argued that the terrorists are not in fact terrorists, but freedom fighters. However disgusting this may sound, there is a certain degree of logic in their claim. "I don´t agree with their methods," explain the self-hating Jews, "but you have to understand that we have here a people fighting for its freedom. There is no difference between them and the war waged by the Hebrew underground movements against the British mandatory authority." So who is actually a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter? Who is a brave soldier and who is a war criminal? When the man in the street hears the comparison made between an Irgun fighter and a terrorist, he is outraged. "What´s the connection?" he asks. "The Irgun fighters took care not to kill women and children and the terrorists make no distinction." It´s true that the terrorists have the characteristics of Amalek and attack weak victims, but this still doesn´t answer the argument of the self-hating Jews: They also declared that they don´t like the methods of the terrorists, but this is only a technical matter. In practice they see no real difference between a freedom fighter who restricts himself to attacking male adults in uniform, and a freedom fighter who does not thus restrict himself.

These Jews are really right! The real difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist depends only on one thing - justice. Those who fight for a justified cause are freedom fighters and those who fight for an unjustified one are terrorists. A German soldier in Hitler´s Wermacht was a terrorist even if he never harmed the civilian population. An Israeli pilot is a hero and a righteous person even if he dropped a ton of bombs on a terrorist and his family. An Irgun fighter was a freedom fighter even if he killed women and children and an Arab terrorist is a terrorist even if he kills soldiers only.

The relevant issue is not the technique but the substance. The justice of the cause for which you are fighting determines whether you are a war criminal or a righteous hero. When your prime minister states that the enemy is in the right, he unintentionally turns all the IDF soldiers (including the female clerks in their offices) into war criminals. There is a great deal of logic in the Peace Bloc´s demand to try the IDF officers.

Now that we have understood the demand, we know how to respond to it: We have to set up an International War Crimes Court – in Jerusalem. Learned Jews will sit there and all the nations of the world will come for judgment by the wise men of the nation of the Prophets, the people of the Bible. It is clear that the International Court is based on a system of values. Therefore, in order to avoid being tried according to the values of the Hague, we must hold on to Jerusalem.

"Because the Law will come out of Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem".

I should like to thank these treacherous Jews for forcing me to clarify the issue for myself. ---------------------------------- Moshe Feiglin heads the Manhigut Yehudit faction and is candidate for the head of the Likud party.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: america; hague; idf; internationalcourt; israel; palistine

1 posted on 08/13/2002 7:19:02 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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Moshe Fegelin webiste>>>

http://www.manhigut.org/english/index.html
2 posted on 08/13/2002 7:24:19 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

 

 

A golden oldie from Moshe Feiglin!

 

 

 

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Why America Has Already Lost the War

By Moshe Feiglin

Last Thursday I realized that America had already lost the war.

I came to the US for four days for a meeting that was to have been held in Manhattan on Tuesday evening, September 11. The meeting didn't take place – no one could get in or out of the great city. I'm not sure if all those invited to the meeting are still alive. There were no flights back home, and all that remained to do was to listen to the reports and hope for a place on the first flight returning to Israel.

I never stay abroad on Shabbat. The trip is more costly and less efficient, but that's the way it is; my own rule. I had now missed out on Shabbat in Eretz Israel, and I could only pray that I would be home in time for Rosh Hashana.

It was impossible to get away from the reports of the massacre in downtown Manhattan. The news was everywhere: on the air, at home, in the car, in the shops. I entered the neighborhood grocery store. The storekeeper's radio was on: Bush was speaking to the American people:

"I declare tomorrow to be a day of prayer", said the President.

Now that's interesting, I think to myself, I can't recall an Israeli Prime Minister who declared a day of prayer. Even when the Yom Kippur War broke out, Golda Meir was shocked, but I don?t remember her asking anyone to pray. But after all, I think, America's national anthem is directed to G-d and Americans sing "G-d bless America". Even the British maintain close contact with the Almighty: "G-d save the Queen". But the Israelis have lost their connection to G-d in their anthem, and all that remains is a dismal hope for a meaningless sort of freedom. To whom precisely should they pray?

"I ask every American", the President continues, breaking into my train of thoughts, "during lunch time tomorrow" (not on the employer's time, like a good Histadrut worker) "to pray for all the injured, their families, and the American nation".

"Go to church, to the synagogue, to the mosque, and pray", ended the President.

"Did I hear right?" I ask the storekeeper. "Did he say mosque?" She nodded.

"At this very moment you've lost the war", I say to the astonished storekeeper, and start looking for what I need on the shelves.

America has lost the war. The Americans have made the same mistake as the Israelis, and just as Israel is retreating from one defeat to the next, so the Americans are now lined up on the track to disintegration.

When the black boxes of the hijacked airplanes are recovered, we will hear the pilots screaming "Allah Achbar" in the last moments before the crash. They slaughtered you in the name of Allah, and now the President calls on you to pray to him.

The American giant received a far more serious knockout blow than that which brought America into the Second World War. Those who gave the Americans the knockout blow at Pearl Harbor received in two atomic bombs in return. The latest knockout blow has no return address. During the first hours, it seemed that the American revenge would be horrifying and terrible. US Jews thought that now Sharon could "finish off" the Arabs, blow up the El Aksa mosque, expel them all, and do as he wished. In light of the pictures of horror from the World Trade Center, and the television coverage of the spontaneous celebrations from Ramallah, Sharon would only receive words of thanks from the Americans. The Americans' revenge would be dwarfed by Israel's reprisal. The hours passed, and the days, and the American tiger turned out to be a helpless kitten.

The American President was busy running after the countries of the world, trying to set up a strange coalition against a few cave dwellers in Afghanistan, while senators explained on live television to the American people, that "we must remember that the enemy is the terrorists, not Islam".

America has been trapped by the same weakness that has visited Israel in the recent years. It is entrapped in a notion of power and is therefore incapable of identifying the enemy and fighting it. Consequently, America will lose the battle in the same way Israel is losing it.

The State of Israel was founded on the notion that the Jewish people are a "normal" people like all other nations. One that has to establish a normal state, based on Western cultural values, and can be accepted into the family of nations. If these premises are valid, Israel's disputes with its neighbors are also "normal", rational, territorial issues that may be resolved in a logical manner.

But the Jewish people are not a "normal" nation, and its conflicts are not "normal" ones. The war being waged against us is not about territories but rather about our very existence as a Jewish nation. This is a war against our message and our mission. That is what our enemies are fighting against, while we reply to them through our own subjective interpretation of reality: we speak of security and of territories. We fail to understand why they refuse to accept even all the territory.

"The Emperor has no clothes!" Arafat shouts at us, and murders three people in Netanya.

"Do you want us to wear something else in your honor?" Peres asks.

"He's naked!" shouts Arafat, and murders a young mother from Alfei Menashe.

"Perhaps we'll wear red for you?" asks Beilin.

Arafat continues to attack us, and we continue to propose solutions that fail to admit the naked reality.

It is no wonder we are losing the war.

The same is now happening to America. The Americans are in fact the children of Christianity. While America is not a Christian country, it is the standard-bearer of Western culture which draws from Christian culture. Why do the terrorists hate the US so much? Why are they prepared to commit suicide in order to kill Americans? After all, America has not conquered their country. On the contrary, many of them receive generous aid from the US. How strange that even Arabs in New Jersey, who are actually living in the flesh-pots of America, and were liable to have suffered physically from the terrorist attack, rejoiced at the sight of the horrible massacre.

Why this hatred?

Two deviant daughters came forth from Judaism but left the fold to conquer the world: Christianity and Islam. Both hate their mother, and both fight each other.

Judaism integrates the qualities of strict justice and mercy, in harmony and in proper measure. Christianity took only the quality of mercy while Islam took the quality of strict justice.

The Moslems see with jealousy how the culture based on Christian mercy succeeds in gaining control over the world. Let everyone come and benefit from the cornucopia open to all -- to everyone we proffer the other cheek, and the whole body, in fact. Come and take your part in the wealth, come and enter the gates of the World Trade Center. We aren't conquering you with the sword, but with gold.

"Why are they bringing their wars here?", a soot-covered broker shouted into a CNN reporter's microphone. He didn't understand that he was conquering, not territories, but the opposing culture, straight from here -- from the twin towers.

But every Moslem child understands it clearly. What the political commentators and senators in the US fail to realize is crystal clear to the other half of the world. America is not at war with a single individual --Bin Laden, but with every child that will be born tomorrow in Cairo, Amman, Beirut, Gaza and, if he is a Moslem, even in New Jersey.

America will never admit that it is involved in a war of cultures, in fact in a religious war. Such an admission implies that, as in the case of Israel, American values are fundamentally at question. They are not as universal as Americans would like to believe. The happiness they pursue in the name of all humanity may be happiness for a specific group based on Christianity, but it means hell for another group that is just as large.

It is entirely possible that the balance has changed and the other half of the world is now beginning to realize its aspirations for happiness (and woe to such a culture immersed in rivers of blood). America will never admit it, and consequently will be unable to fight back. Just like the Israelis. They fail to identify the enemy. They seek the terrorists just as Sharon is pursuing individual terrorists. They are pursuing the wasps instead of destroying the nest, because they are afraid of the nest. They are afraid of a real confrontation between their values and those of Islam.

They want a coalition with moderate Arab countries. They have to prove that neither Islam nor the Arabs, but terrorism, is their enemy. The situation is so ludicrous that even Arafat is being wooed -- Arafat, who invented hijacking, Arafat, the father of 20th century terrorism. They want to make a coalition with him, if only to avoid facing reality.

They will in fact catch the wasps. Bin Laden doesn't stand a chance. He won't be able to escape the power of the US.  And then what? Today every Arab child wants to be a Shahid, a martyr for Islam. Bin Laden will enter the pantheon of the Shahids, but another million are waiting their turn, and they are impatient. America is waging a physical war against a metaphysical enemy. They are incapable of understanding what we in Israel witness every day -- overjoyed parents of suicide bombers.

In the coming months, we will see a lot of military planes take off and land. We will see destroyers and missiles, and millions of tons of TNT exploding in the Iraqi desert and in Afghanistani caves. They will kill thousands of innocent people, and in the end America will lose -- because it failed to identify the true enemy.

The previous campaign was code-named Desert Storm, and the current one will be called Infinite Justice, but this justice has no aim, and will therefore actually lack justice. If only America had the clairvoyance and the moral fortitude to face up to reality, America could win easily, without a coalition, without deploying armies, and without senseless killings.

But America is too busy deceiving itself. Not only the politicians, but everyone in the population. An interesting phenomena I noticed, was the self-imposed censorship of the American media. I sat and watched as the drama unfolded live on television. In the first hour, there were live broadcasts from Ramallah and Shechem, in which the "Palestinian" masses could be seen rejoicing over the massacre in Manhattan. I was pleased to see the pictures broadcast for all to see. Suddenly the reports ceased as if they had never happened. After the first hour, I didn't see them again. I don't believe that the American administration contacted the media networks and told them what to screen. This happened naturally: don't show the American people a reality that conflicts with its fundamental values. "We shall preserve the American way of life and win" was the message.

There was no longer any footage from Ramallah or from anywhere else. Instead, there began to appear an endless stream of interviews with American professors having Arab names and speaking with Arabic accents. The message was this: here is an American called Ahmed, who is a Moslem, but who is also an American.

"I vehemently condemn this attack", said a professor. "You have to realize that the majority of Arabs are not like these despicable terrorists. Most of them think like I do, but?" added the professor in a knowledgeable manner, "when you aid the Israeli occupation of Palestine, you cause more Arabs to be on the side of the terrorists rather than on my side".

Hence Israel is out of the coalition. Even the crack rescue unit from Israel that was ready to come and help was courteously sent back to its base. Israel is the mistress that must be hidden, and Arafat, the king of terrorism, is the legitimate wife, who is sought after.

Better this way, since at the end of the day, America is not truly Israel's ally -- but we'll leave that issue for another time.

The day after the attack, a wealthy American acquaintance approached me and asked for my comments on the situation. I told him what I thought, and he then surprised me by making an offer that couldn't be refused: "I am ready to pay for a full-page ad in the New York Times". "I want you to compose the ad" he said. I didn't want to do it, because America's war isn't my war, and because I had hoped that this dear Jew would direct his financial resources to far more important endeavors in which we are engaged in Eretz Israel. But the man persisted, so I composed the following quick draft:

IT IS A CULTURAL/RELIGIOUS WAR .

We can kill a million Bin Ladens, but they will continue to celebrate.

[Photo of Arabs celebrating in the streets.]

They have destroyed our symbols.

[Photo of the twin towers going up in flames]

We must destroy their symbols.

[Photos of the El-Aksa mosque on the Temple Mount, and the Kaba building in Mecca.]

Shocked?

Americans don't do such things?

Right.

Therefore, America will continue to be destroyed until you understand.

My friend was astonished. "But they will start a religious war!", he exclaimed. "Can you imagine what acts of vengeance will result from this?"

"And what have you suffered just now?", I asked him. "Do you think that they only killed nearly ten thousand people because at the moment they don't hate you so much?"

"This is a religious war", I explained to him. "They aren't afraid to die. They have sanctified death, they die with the name of Allah on their lips, and seventy virgins are waiting for them in Paradise. You don't frighten them with your bombs. At best, you'll turn them into Shahids. They have directed their attack against your god. You have no alternative, but to direct your attack against theirs. When you destroy their god, they will become powerless and come back down to this world. They will suddenly be frightened by the sound of footsteps, and by the prick of a pin. They will know that not only they understand your language, but you understand theirs, and you are fighting them according to their own rules".

"Think about it", I added. "How many people are you going to kill in vain, and how easy it would be to win this war without killing anyone".

My friend was convinced, but in the end decided not to run the ad.

I am worried by what is to come. Since America is going to lose, tremendous frustration is going to build up in the American population. The twin towers will only be the beginning. The success of the terrorist attack will create an unconquerable desire among every Arab child to claim his share of martyrdom. Terrorist attacks will increase, and America won't have an answer.

The Arab professor's words of incitement will then start ringing true to Americans ears: Israel is the problem and by extension so are the Jews.

There won't be large-scale pogroms in America, perhaps small ones, but not the kind we became accustomed to in Europe. After all, there is something too good about the American people that won't allow it. But how will a Jew show his face in the street when every American is convinced that he has lost his job, his property, and that his relatives are being killed in terrorist attacks and in an endless war, all because of the Jews?

My return trip to Israel was no picnic. I sat at the airport in uncertainty for nearly 24 hours with thousands of others, until I managed to get onboard one of the flights of El Al's air shuttle returning the stranded Israelis home.

"If this is the line of Israeli visitors wanting to go home", I thought to myself, "how long will the line be when American Jews rush to come home to Israel?"

I always kneel and kiss the ground when I return home.

Our holy land had never received as warm a kiss from me as it did this time.


3 posted on 08/13/2002 7:32:50 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
"Did I hear right?" I ask the storekeeper. "Did he say mosque?" She nodded.

"At this very moment you've lost the war", I say to the astonished storekeeper, and start looking for what I need on the shelves.

I felt the EXACT same way. I even made a post called "Bush gives up the Ghost", but it was promptly yanked.

Unless we recognize QUICKLY who the enemy is, we're doomed.

4 posted on 08/13/2002 7:38:52 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: dennisw
Many Liberal Jews I know, are Jewish, only as far as some cute customs, and Holidays. Otherwise they could'nt care less about Israel,they drive Volkswagons, buy H & K, and Glock weapons, and are clueless of history.
5 posted on 08/13/2002 7:39:29 AM PDT by TJFLSTRAT
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To: 1bigdictator
The debate on whether Arab-terrorists may be freedom fighters concedes legal authority to their actions. Before answering whether Palis are justified in fighting "occupiers" it must be determined whether they are being "illegaly occupied". The history of events surrounding the West Bank and Gaza make the Pali claim dubious under international law. Simply stated, legal title to this territory vested under Israel's soveriegnty upon the unlawful actions of Israel's Arab neighbors, who used the territory to repeatedly launch invasions against Israel (four hostile attacks upon Israel between 1948 and 1967-- any of which gave Israel the right to annex the disputed territory).
6 posted on 08/13/2002 7:50:25 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: 1bigdictator
Yes, who is a Jew, needs some rethinking.
7 posted on 08/13/2002 8:19:03 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: dennisw
Why was the first name that popped into my head "Adan Shapiro?"
8 posted on 08/13/2002 8:44:59 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: dennisw
The writer identifies the problem but fails utterly about the solution........just my opinion.
9 posted on 08/13/2002 9:05:34 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: 1bigdictator
"Simply stated, legal title to this territory vested under Israel's soveriegnty upon the unlawful actions of Israel's Arab neighbors, who used the territory to repeatedly launch invasions against Israel (four hostile attacks upon Israel between 1948 and 1967-- any of which gave Israel the right to annex the disputed territory)."

Exactly. So why do Bush and Sharon keep saying that the Palistinians should have a state? Are they traitors to our cause in the war on terrorism?

For *ucks sake, if the Palis deserve a state, then give it to them, if they don't, then quit saying they do. Is it to much to ask for our leaders to show some slight signs of intelligence?

10 posted on 08/13/2002 12:28:28 PM PDT by monday
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if the Palis deserve a state, then give it to them,

Saw this thread and thought it was a new MidEast Peace Plan:

NASA EXEC TELLS OF MARS PLANS

The head of NASA's Mars program on Wednesday challenged researchers from Southwest Research Institute to contribute ideas and technology toward a "scientific assault" of the Red Planet in this decade and beyond.
...
A lot of the history of the planet is recorded in rocks in the soil," he said.

Humans will not walk across the Red Planet for decades to come, Figueroa predicted.

"A human mission to Mars is really not in our agenda at the moment," he said.

Still, there's always the dream, he said.

"We know that in order to explore and experience a new world, nothing compares to humans actually being there," Figueroa said.

ALAS, no. Although I tremble as I think of the possibilities.

11 posted on 08/13/2002 3:16:15 PM PDT by Optimist
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To: 1bigdictator
...in order to avoid being tried according to the values of the Hague, we must hold on to Jerusalem.

"Because the Law will come out of Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem".

Amen.

12 posted on 08/13/2002 4:38:37 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: dennisw
Why America Has Already Lost WON the War

The true story is, junior officers and noncoms who had been college students two years before and had ROTC commissions pinned down at that sea wall and couldn't retreat, couldn't go back -- it was just chaos back behind them -- couldn't, as the plan called for, go up the draws. They were getting butchered where they were all the sea wall because the Germans had it all zeroed in with their mortars that were coming down on top of them. And, "Over here, Captain," "Over here, Lieutenant, over here." A sergeant looked at this situation and said, "The hell with this. If I'm going to get killed, I'm going to take some Germans with me." And he would call out, "Follow me," and up he would start. Hitler didn't believe this was ever possible. Hitler was certain that the soft, effeminate children of democracy could never become soldiers. Hitler was certain that the Nazi youth would always outfight the Boy Scouts, and Hitler was wrong.
The Boy Scouts took them on D-Day. Joe Dawson led Company G. He started off with 200 men. He got to the top of the bluff with 20 men, but he got to the top. He was the first one to get there.

Stephen Ambrose, talking about Omaha beach.
There are no better killers on this planet than the childern of Democracy. We will win this war simply because me must. And IMO the same holds true for Israel.

13 posted on 08/13/2002 9:32:02 PM PDT by Valin
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Ahamad: moha?
Mohamad: Aha.
Ahamad: creditors are calling again.
mohamad: alla commands screw the kafirs, and never pay their bills.
ahamad: wouldn't that screw up our credit worthiness?
moha: contrary aha, if you wage terror and make wild counter accusations,
americans give you more loans.
Aha: so shall be done, and so shall be written.
14 posted on 08/13/2002 11:36:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Valin
Hitler was wrong

And the Japanese were just as wrong. In Victor Hanson's Carnage and Culture there's a good few paragraphs about this.

15 posted on 08/14/2002 6:08:17 AM PDT by anatolfz
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Amazing how dictators keep making the same mistake over and over throughout history. It Almost leads me to thinks that maybe we're not in charge and "someone" out there is working from a plan.
16 posted on 08/14/2002 6:30:11 AM PDT by Valin
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To: TJFLSTRAT
Liberal Jews do not purchase H&K's, GLocks, Colts, or even Desert Eagles and the opther guns produced by Israeli IMI. They don't buy guns.

Only conservative Jews (outside of a few hypocrites like Sen Feinstein) puchase guns.
www.jpfo.org

17 posted on 08/14/2002 6:46:42 PM PDT by rmlew
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