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GAO says keeping gun records for only a day may put guns in the hands of the wrong people
Associated Press / SFGate

Posted on 07/24/2002 7:53:40 AM PDT by RCW2001

JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, July 24, 2002
©2002 Associated Press

URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/07/24/national0443EDT0494.DTL

(07-24) 01:43 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

Destroying government records of firearm purchases after one day instead of three months could put guns in the hands of criminals who shouldn't have them, congressional investigators say.

Attorney General John Ashcroft last year suggested shortening the time period that the government keeps records on people who try to purchase firearms from 90 days to no more than one business day.

But doing that would mean that the FBI, which conducts the checks, won't be able to go back to look for fraudulent transactions or mistaken approvals, leading to "public safety implications," the General Accounting Office said Tuesday.

Only seven out of the 235 illegal gun sales between July 2001 and January 2002 were noticed after one day, according to the GAO, which is the investigative arm of Congress. Under a one-day rule, the other 228 criminals would have been able to keep their guns instead of having police take them away because the mistake never would have been caught, the agency said Tuesday.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check system, called NICS, electronically checks law enforcement records while gun buyers are waiting to make purchases. Felons, drug users and people subject to domestic violence restraining orders are among those prohibited from buying guns.

Gun rights groups say keeping the records is an invasion of privacy; gun control advocates say more time for auditing is necessary to ensure that guns are not be sold to criminals.

Ashcroft said he was trying to balance privacy concerns and the need to maintain the records for auditing purposes -- both of which are required by the landmark Brady gun law that requires background checks for gun buyers.

But some records are missing or incomplete. If new information shows up within three months that proves the gun purchase should have been denied, the FBI calls local police and has the gun purchaser tracked down and the weapon confiscated.

But "the proposed policy requiring next-day destruction of NICS records would lessen the FBI's ability to initiate firearm retrieval actions," GAO officials said.

The Justice Department, in its response to the GAO report, said it was working to close that loophole. One suggestion would be to keep the firearm dealer's ID number for three months and tracking down the person with the illegal gun through the dealer.

But the GAO said that wouldn't be enough. When late information comes in that causes a gun purchase denial, the FBI usually checks the purchaser's name to see if previous purchases were made in the past three months.

About one half of the 228 illegal gun purchases between July 2001 and January 2002 were related to earlier purchases, the agency said. "The FBI generally would not have been able to initiate these retrieval actions under DOJ's proposed option," the report said.

However, in the agency response, Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh said also that there was nothing stopping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms from using other investigative avenues to find out whether the offender has other firearms.


On the Net:

GAO report: www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-02-653

National Instant Criminal Background Check System: www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm

Justice Department: www.usdoj.gov

©2002 Associated Press  


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; banglist; bradylaw; gunrecords; gunregistration; nics

1 posted on 07/24/2002 7:53:40 AM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Only seven out of the 235 illegal gun sales between July 2001 and January 2002 were noticed after one day

Did everybody catch this little gem of information?

235 illegal gun sales in six months. Nationwide.

They want to invade the privacy of millions of Americans to maybe stop the sale of less than 500 guns a year. Gun sales that if stopped before transfer would likely be replaced by what I will euphemistically call a "less formal purchase." Many of those sales that are illegal merely due to the increasing number of things that have been criminalized in the past three decades, actions which used to be completely legal.

(Note also that it does not tell us how many were caught in the first two days, first week or even first month. It just says "7 in the first day," then goes on to puff up 90 days.)

The GAO may say that keeping gun records for only a day is risky, but I say,

Keeping gun records risks a police state, slavery, and genocide.


2 posted on 07/24/2002 8:05:37 AM PDT by Fixit
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3 posted on 07/24/2002 8:06:06 AM PDT by Fixit
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To: Fixit
Won't it be great when we have the military out patrolling the streets and a complete list of gun owners in their hands? I always wanted to visit Berlin in the '30s ... looks like I won't need that time machine after all ...
4 posted on 07/24/2002 8:13:30 AM PDT by spodefly
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To: RCW2001
Destroying the records might well "put guns into the hands of criminals" but then again, not destroying them will affirmatively put records of what should be private transactions into the hands of intrusive, unaccountable, and overbearing government agents. Given a choice, I'd take my chances with the former.
5 posted on 07/24/2002 8:36:00 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: RCW2001
It would put a lot more guns in the hands of the right people. If honest armed citizens outnumber the armed criminals, there would be a lot less violent crime.
6 posted on 07/24/2002 9:01:42 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Fixit
Be careful what you say. Some TIPster may report you for not fully supporting the "war on terror."
7 posted on 07/24/2002 9:14:01 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: RCW2001
"Only seven out of the 235 illegal gun sales between July 2001 and January 2002 were noticed after one day, according to the GAO"

Maybe if they only HAD one day, they might look FASTER!

Duh!
8 posted on 07/24/2002 9:46:19 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: RCW2001
We'll never be told how many of those 235 rejections were contested by the buyers and later found to have been incorrectly turned down. Clinton used to get on camera and say with a straight face how many hundreds of thousands of criminals had been kept from getting guns by the Brady law. What he never told us was that a large majority of those rejections were made in error (deliberate error?) and were later approved after the buyers contested the rejection.
9 posted on 07/24/2002 9:55:44 AM PDT by epow
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To: drjimmy
"Be careful what you say. Some TIPster may report you for not fully supporting the "war on terror.""

Don't worry. TIPS - if it ever gets off the ground - will be so flooded with well-meaning "I think I saw" crap, not to mention crank and prank tips, that Washington will never be able to keep up with the inbox!

To make it at all useful for their main concern, Washington will have to filter for words like "Arab." That will still leave them with far too much garbage to go through - and leave the rest of us alone.

Scandals of antigun politicians - including how-to guide for "outing!"

10 posted on 07/24/2002 10:17:42 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: coloradan
Any NICS employees out there who can actually verify that these records are destroyed AT ALL?
11 posted on 07/24/2002 10:50:59 AM PDT by Indrid Cold
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To: Indrid Cold
Any NICS employees out there who can actually verify that these records are destroyed AT ALL?

I've wondered about that, too. No doubt there are backup copies made of the data -- are those destroyed also? I've never seen this question addressed.

12 posted on 07/24/2002 11:54:02 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: glc1173@aol.com
>>. . .Washington will have to filter for words like "Arab."<<

Actually, the government would have to design a filter to overlook words like "Arab." To do otherwise would be intolerant and profiling. (Sacrasm)
;-)
13 posted on 07/24/2002 12:08:20 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: RCW2001
We'll never be told how many of those 235 rejections were contested by the buyers and later found to have been incorrectly turned down.

Clinton used to get on camera and say with a straight face how many hundreds of thousands of criminals had been kept from getting guns by the Brady law. What he never told us was that about half of those rejections were made in error (deliberate error?) and were later approved after the buyers contested the rejection. The Brady law is nothing more than a very expensive farce.

14 posted on 07/24/2002 12:25:18 PM PDT by epow
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To: epow
Sorry for the delayed action double post. I don't know what happened, maybe there's a ghost in my puter.
15 posted on 07/24/2002 12:27:54 PM PDT by epow
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To: Indrid Cold
Files destroyed.

(Multiple backup copies made.)

16 posted on 07/24/2002 2:36:18 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: RCW2001
The gun grabbers believe that anybody but government goons is "the wrong hands". They don't give a damned if criminals have guns, in fact, if criminals DIDN'T have guns, they would have no platform at all.

This is about making sure the database is complete, nothing else.
17 posted on 07/27/2002 6:23:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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