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U.S. bullets help Canadian snipers set world record [NAMES US SNIPER AND GIVES HIS HOME TOWN!!!]
The Toronto Star ^ | July 10, 2002, 01:00 EDT | Stephen Thorne

Posted on 07/10/2002 2:43:20 PM PDT by SlickWillard

 

Thestar.com
U.S. bullets help Canadian snipers set world record
Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.

But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill" [NOTICE HOW THE CANUCK GETS AN ALIAS], a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. FULL NAME of HOMETOWN, made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.

This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.

The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry is pulling out this month.

They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.

About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.

The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military — the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valour, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who — while nearly killing them several times over with "friendly fire" — owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James" [YET ANOTHER CANUCK WHO GETS AN ALIAS], a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.

Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time.

"They really hammered us," said Bill.

He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. FULL NAME, 25, of HOMETOWN, the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said.

"If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five.

"Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants."

Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them — a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James. The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."


With files from Associated Press



TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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Another version of this article was posted here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/713521/posts
I dunno; maybe these soldiers gave their names for attribution, but I find this extraordinarily irresponsible. These poor guys will have "Fatwahs" issued on their persons, and they will have to move their families into hiding for the forseeable future. [The article even gave the lieutenant's age, so a hypothetical terrorist need only go to the local library and check out a copy of the high school yearbook. From there, the terrorist could find all the brothers and sisters who attended the same school.]

The only possible explanation I can think of for this sort of irresponsibility is that these men are fictitious, and that this is part of an FBI sting to lure out Al Qaeda cells. But typically that would require up to a year's advance work just to place the fictitious names in a phone book.

1 posted on 07/10/2002 2:43:20 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
.50 rounds are clearly inhumane. Sounds to me those Canadian snipers are guilty of war crimes. I say we hault them before the ICC.
2 posted on 07/10/2002 2:48:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: SlickWillard
What makes this breaking news when the earlier thread wasn't?
3 posted on 07/10/2002 2:49:29 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SlickWillard
How many of us would have ever known about this if you hadn't posted it for us? Although you ommitted the names, you provided a link to the story that gave the names.

How outraged over this can you be when you multiply the effects yourself?

4 posted on 07/10/2002 2:52:55 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: SlickWillard
Whats the point of giving the Canucks an alias and then naming their hometown and rank...surely many of the soldiers are from samll towns with hundreds or thousands of poeople.
5 posted on 07/10/2002 2:53:26 PM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: SlickWillard
Willard,

take a chill pill, man. USDOD policy is that it is the soldier's option whether his name and hometown are released. One exception, special operations soldiers are automatically kept incognito. Even some of them have been named -- for instance, some of them sat on the podium at the State of the Union, and those names were released by DOD.

It is thought that the threat to individual infantrymen such as these guys is quite small. There are many other, higher-value targets for the Al Q cells (if any) to chase.

Most of the US forces that participated in Anaconda and earlier fighting have returned to ther bases. New units have rotated in; these guys are at home in the USA.

Thanks for your concern, but you can take it easy -- the Canadians have not joined the Taliban. They are still on our side.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
6 posted on 07/10/2002 3:07:02 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Geez, what are you the posting police?
7 posted on 07/10/2002 3:12:31 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: Right Wing Professor
As I was taught in the Army about .50 cal rounds ....is that the shot is actually aimed at the "equipment" that was being carried.....therefore a legal "kill"....
8 posted on 07/10/2002 3:13:13 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Criminal Number 18F
It is thought that the threat to individual infantrymen such as these guys is quite small.

An American sergeant, who took part in the assassination of a Jihadist, is named in this article, and his home town is given. If that doesn't make him [and his family] fodder for an Islamic counterattack, then I don't know does.

9 posted on 07/10/2002 3:15:26 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

unbelievable stupidity

10 posted on 07/10/2002 3:31:19 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: freedom9
My first thought would be to run like HEdoublehockeysticks to get as much distance between me and the 2200 lbs of high explosives.

As for the guy that went out and kicked it. Man I just guess he had a death wish, what a loon.

11 posted on 07/10/2002 3:48:56 PM PDT by Winston Smith
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To: Right Wing Professor
the target of PEOPLE by 50 Cal is illegal-- however if you are shooting @ enemy equipment that is ok -- obviously the snipers were aiming for the TURBANS and pistol belts LOL
12 posted on 07/10/2002 3:49:33 PM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: Notforprophet
I don't believe I asked you a question, did I. I'll bet you're the type of person who carries a litter bag in their car and when it gets full you just toss it out the window.
13 posted on 07/10/2002 4:56:09 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Whatever. You can't expect to post on a public forum without fear of someone responding. LOL

You probably thought this was your own slice of Heaven, didnctha? :)

Notforprophet

14 posted on 07/10/2002 5:34:08 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: Right Wing Professor; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Eagle Eye; Aaron_A; Criminal Number 18F; Notforprophet; ...
According to MapQuest, one of the four named cities in the following article is about two and a half hours by car from the named hometown of the American sergeant who took part in the mission that resulted in the assassination of the Afghani Jihadist:

July 11, 2002
5,000 in U.S. suspected of ties to al Qaeda
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

U.S. intelligence agencies are watching several groups of Middle Eastern men thought to be part of an infrastructure of as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and their supporters in the United States, The Washington Times has learned. Small groups of about a half-dozen men in Seattle, Chicago, Detroit and Atlanta are under surveillance by FBI and other intelligence agencies and are thought to be part of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, said intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/714290/posts

http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=print&ArticleID=20020711-95269204

This is insanity.
15 posted on 07/11/2002 7:50:42 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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