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LAX Gunman Linked to Bin Laden s Lieutenant and FBI Operative Ali Mohammed?
NewsMax,FreeRepublic,Washington Post ^ | July 6, 2002 | Patrick B. Briley

Posted on 07/06/2002 5:33:11 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NewsMax reported in a story “Report Links LAX Shooter to Egyptian Jihad “ on July 5, 2002 that the LAX gunman Hesham Mohamed Hadayet was a secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad cell in Brooklyn, New York which helped Ramzi Youseff carry out the 1993 WTC attack.

But the NewsMax story further reported that Hadayat abetted the pilot Gameel el-Batouty who deliberately crashed Egypt Air Flight 767 after it departing Los Angeles and was en route to Cairo via Kennedy airport in New York on October 31, 1999.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: alimohammed; alqaeda; batouty; binladen; egyptair; egyptianjihad; fbi; hadayat; hadayet; jihadinamerica; lax; laxshooter; wtc
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1 posted on 07/06/2002 5:33:11 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner; All
This story is Copyrighted 2002 by its author,Patrick B. Briley
2 posted on 07/06/2002 5:34:59 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
One source was quoted as saying, "While we don't yet have enough evidence to implicate the LAX gunman in the Fall of Man, we're working on it..."

;0)

3 posted on 07/06/2002 5:37:34 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Uncle Bill; glorygirl; lawdog; Fred Mertz; honway; Donald Stone; Ronneil; nunya bidness; B4Ranch; ..
FYI
4 posted on 07/06/2002 5:40:46 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Ali at the same time he was working for Bin Laden was also working as a full time FBI operative out of Sacramento, California from 1992- 1998

..."full time FBI operative"? In what capacity? As an informer, undercover source or as an actual FBI agent?

5 posted on 07/06/2002 5:49:28 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty; ntrulock; Uncle Bill; Fred Mertz; glorygirl; Ronneil; honway; Donald Stone; Plummz; ...
Reponse to Gritty's reply #5:

Ali Mohammed worked as an FBI informer and close undercover source for the FBI. He would report to the FBI about his overseas travel and what he also was doing in the US. This was reported in the Sacrmento Bee in 1998 (actual name of one of Ali's FBI handler given in the article).

Former CIA and State Department counter terrorism official LC Johnson (now a consultant for Fox News)also testified before COngress in 2001 after 9/11 about Ali Mohammed's role for the FBI. I saw LC Johnsons testimony on CSPAN. Johnson claimed in his testimony that the FBI and CIA lost track of and was "double crossed" by Ali Mohammed.

6 posted on 07/06/2002 6:00:00 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner

Terrorism Resources


al-Jihad

From: Patterns of Global Terrorism, 2000. United States Department of State, April 2001.
Comments on the content of the material should be sent to the U.S. Department of State

Other Names

Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Islamic Jihad
Jihad Group

Description
Egyptian Islamic extremist group active since the late 1970s. Close partner of Bin Ladin's al-Qaida organization. Suffered setbacks as a result of numerous arrests of operatives worldwide, most recently in Lebanon and Yemen. Primary goals are to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state and attack US and Israeli interests in Egypt and abroad.

Activities
Specializes in armed attacks against high-level Egyptian Government personnel, including cabinet ministers, and car-bombings against official US and Egyptian facilities. The original Jihad was responsible for the assassination in 1981 of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. Claimed responsibility for the attempted assassinations of Interior Minister Hassan al-Alfi in August 1993 and Prime Minister Atef Sedky in November 1993. Has not conducted an attack inside Egypt since 1993 and has never targeted foreign tourists there. Responsible for Egyptian Embassy bombing in Islamabad in 1995; in 1998, planned attack against US Embassy in Albania was thwarted.

Strength
Not known but probably has several hundred hard-core members.

Location/Area of Operation
Operates in the Cairo area. Has a network outside Egypt, including Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Lebanon, and the United Kingdom.

External Aid
Not known. The Egyptian Government claims that both Iran and Bin Ladin support the Jihad. Also may obtain some funding through various Islamic nongovernmental organizations, cover businesses, and criminal acts.

7 posted on 07/06/2002 6:00:39 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: OKCSubmariner
This guy is not your average airport user. He walked in carrying a pistol and a knife. Did he expect to get on a plane. No - he came there to kill people, pure and simple.
8 posted on 07/06/2002 6:01:41 PM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Newsmax has also confirmed the report in Hatrats and Annanumb that the limo driver has been linked to the Swiss Guards that offed their boss...and put the Swiss threat radar on the whack.
9 posted on 07/06/2002 6:03:33 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: TomGuy
Egyptian Islamic Jihad

Primary goals are to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state and attack US and Israeli interests in Egypt and abroad.

Nah, our LAX shooter couldn't possibly be affiliated with these guys.

10 posted on 07/06/2002 6:07:31 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys
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To: glockmeister40
This guy is not your average airport user. He walked in carrying a pistol and a knife. Did he expect to get on a plane. No - he came there to kill people, pure and simple.

True, he went to the airport with that intention. I read earlier than he left a message taped to the window either at his home or place of business. The full content of the note hasn't been published, but someone posted at part of it said "Read the Koran" or similar wording.

Yes, he went to the airport intentionally to kill.

[I guess we can be thankful he chose guns and a knife rather than strapping a bomb onto his body and blowing it up in the tickets line.]
11 posted on 07/06/2002 6:11:57 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy; Uncle Bill; glorygirl; Ronneil; ntrulock; Betty Jo
Reply #7 is excellent backgound resource information corroborating strong links between Egyptian Jihad and AlQaeda.

Thanks for posting it TomGuy.

The former Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear started working on major portions (75 %) of this Patterns of Global Terrorism Report beginning in 1994. A public and a classified report like it has been issued every year since at least 1995 or earlier. It is a wealth of information.

12 posted on 07/06/2002 6:12:18 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Well, if things are truly this coincidental, then it would be very simple to eliminate these limited number of threats to American security.

My take is that there probably islittle to absolutely no linkages between these various incidents.

On the other hand, in a highly varied, diverse, and complex world I have yet to figure out how a handful of highly competitive news organizations will resort to reruns of the news in national and international syndication.

Maybe the report is right on and the world as we know it is simply a giant Truman Show. <;^)

13 posted on 07/06/2002 6:17:20 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: harrowup
I been in Roswell talking to the aliens, what's up with the swiss guards?
14 posted on 07/06/2002 6:32:48 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: harrowup
look another clueless post from the terrorist lover.
15 posted on 07/06/2002 6:43:39 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: razorback-bert
Ah-ha. The aliens are everywhere
16 posted on 07/06/2002 7:03:14 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: TLBSHOW
Did no one ever tell you thread jumping is best left to the swift?
17 posted on 07/06/2002 7:05:26 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: OKCSubmariner
How many “sleeper” gunman and pilots like Hadayat and Batouty, possibly recruited and trained for AlQaeda and Bin Laden by Ali Mohammed, are still out there that the FBI needs to round up immediately before they commit more terror acts inside the US??.....

First the FBI has to recognize them as enemies. It seems they are having a hard time with just Hadayet being a suspect.

18 posted on 07/06/2002 7:09:48 PM PDT by Hang'emAll
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Beautiful comment. This sort of reporting gives conspiracy theorists a bad name.
19 posted on 07/06/2002 8:13:26 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: OKCSubmariner; All
Hadayet has a father and a uncle who are/were generals in the Egyptian Army.

The uncle has the last name of "Mahfouz".The same name of the BCCI Bush business Mahfouz. Are they related?

If the shooter is the nephew and son of generals, does this not imply some connections?

Surely the Pres,Condi,Cheney,Ashcroft, Mueller and whoever knows this.

So, once again I ask, why do all these Islamic-Jihad-Terrorists-doubleagents get to roam free and kill us?

The AP in its breaking news today and FOX around 5:00 PM announced that the Transportation Security Administration was going to put armed guards at the airport ticket counters around the country.

Since then it has been on again, off again.

http://www.tsa.gov


20 posted on 07/06/2002 8:18:06 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: *JIHAD IN AMERICA
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21 posted on 07/06/2002 8:29:24 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Betty Jo
Jul. 7, 2002
Israel, FBI differ over motive in airport attack
By HAIM SHAPIRO, TOM TUGEND, AND NEWS AGENCIES

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S atellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPAr ticle/Full&cid=10257877109 92


22 posted on 07/06/2002 8:34:46 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Betty Jo
the gunman was a terrorist. There is no proof he was not.
23 posted on 07/06/2002 8:35:37 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: OKCSubmariner; All
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sun bin/stories/bw-exec/2002/jul/06/070600070.htm l

so why isnt it on the TSA website?

http://www.TSA.gov
24 posted on 07/06/2002 8:48:37 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: OKCSubmariner
Deport all Egyptians NOW! They're as crazy as bedbugs. What do you expect when all their ancestors back to the Pharoahs were boinking their sisters?
25 posted on 07/06/2002 8:54:28 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Betty Jo
You know the deal Betty Jo.
26 posted on 07/06/2002 8:56:22 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: OKCSubmariner
What if ...the person that took down Egypt Air 767 was not a assigned crew member in light of what happened on 9/11 ?

Can you provide a site for more on the body part that was found in The Murrah building and never identified .
27 posted on 07/06/2002 9:07:38 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: OKCSubmariner
I guess we can start racial profiling now.
28 posted on 07/06/2002 9:26:54 PM PDT by Eva
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To: OKCSubmariner
Report Links LAx Shooter to Egyptian Jihad

Father of El Al attacker former Egyptian army general
"The father of Egyptian gunman Hisham Mohammed Hadayet who opened fire at a check-in counter of Israeli carrier El Al in Los Angeles was a general in Egypt's army, his neighbors said Friday.

"The former general, Ahmad Ali Hadayet, lives in the family household in the central Abbassiya district in Cairo, an AFP reporter said."

Egyptian masterminds behind bin Laden
"A child of privilege like bin Laden, Zawahiri was born in 1951 to a powerful and affluent Cairo family. His grandfather was the grand imam of Al Azhar in Cairo, one of the most important mosques in the Arab world. Another great-uncle was the first secretary-general of the Arab League.

After attending an exclusive prep school and graduating from the prestigious medical school at Cairo University, Zawahiri practiced medicine in a wealthy Cairo neighborhood of villas and restaurants."

Al Qaeda's Egyptian Leaders

Terrorist attacks involving four jetliners bound for California brought the state to a near standstill Tuesday, closing government buildings, offices, airports and even Disneyland

Ahmed Ressam - Terror School - Los Angeles International Airport
"Others at the camp included members of terrorist groups such as Algeria's Armed Islamic Group and the Salafist Group for Call and Combat, the Palestinian group Hamas, the Shiite Hezbollah, the Egyptian Jihad and the al Qaeda network."

UNSEALED ALI MOHAMED CASE DOCUMENTS

Bin Laden's man in Silicon Valley - "Mohamed the American' orchestrated terrorist acts while living a quiet suburban life in Santa Clara

'Sleeper' terrorists blended into America perfectly
"On a late summer day in suburban San Diego last September, Nawaq Alhamzi and Khalid Al- Midhar performed the most mundane of tasks: They pitched in to clean up leaves, raking and bagging with other men on a short, dead- end street in Lemon Grove, Calif."

...Perhaps most striking about the attackers is their commitment over a number of years, patiently learning and honing pilot skills in at least 10 schools across the country.

That persistence was demonstrated by suspect Hani Hanjour, who traveled the nation, from Florida to Arizona to San Diego, in a lengthy quest to earn his wings. Several instructors have said they found Hanjour dangerously lacking in skill."

Al Qaeda terrorist worked with FBI/ Ex-Silicon Valley resident plotted embassy attacks

Al-Qaeda terrorist duped FBI, Army [ trained as Green Beret and was US Army Sargent]

Ex-Green Beret Charged as bin Laden Accomplice

FBI Operative Ali Mohammed Writes Bin Laden Terrorist Manual

Officials aware in 1998 of training

Expert testifies Islamic terrorists flocking to U.S.

An Elusive Warlord's Deadly 'Sleepers'

FBI Failed To Use Credible Intelligence and Forewarnings To Move Against Terror Cells In Time
"And another example of FBI failed policy of tracking known terrorists in the US was followed and defended by FBI Director Louis Freeh in May 1995 before Congress. Freeh bragged that the FBI had help populate three Abu Nidal terrorists cells in the US with known middle eastern terrorists who were allowed to roam to long train others and set up more cells like Ali Mohammed without apprehension.

Freeh said the three Abu Nidal cells were in Dallas, Los Angeles and near Washington DC. Abu Nidal is a brutal, blood thirsty terrorist who is close to Sadam Hussain and who may have helped in the recent WTC attacks. In 1999 and in 2000 CBN News and terrorism expert Steve Emerson reported Abu Nidal meeting with Sadam Hussein in Iraq."

NOW US ADMITS HUNTING HIJACKERS 3 WEEKS BEFORE ATTACK; TERROR CELLS ESCAPE THE BIG FBI DRAGNET
"FBI headquarters failed to pass on the names of the men to its office in San Diego - where, it turns out, the men had been living."

Two terrorists were under investigation by FBI; The Manhunt Intelligence Services Under Attack For Missing Hijackers Living In America
NEST OF TERRORISTS "The authorities established that both men had flown into LA early last year and into New York earlier this year. It has also emerged that both men had lived in America at various times in the past year. Al-Hamzi had rented a room in San Diego from September to December last year, which al-Midhar had shared for the first month."

LIVING WITH THE TERRORIST ENEMY
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

THREE of the suspected hijackers plotted their part in the atrocity from a home in furnished with little more than a television.

Khalid Al-Midhar, Nawaq Alhamzi and Hani Hanjoor disappeared late one night about three weeks ago from the two-storey Parkside Apartments on Mount Ada Road, Clairemont, in San Diego.

When FBI agents started asking questions at the complex the terrible truth dawned on residents. 'This is just too devastating to have so close to home,' said Keith Link, whose own apartment overlooked the trio's terror cell.

It appears that they settled first at Clairemont before moving to nearby Lemon Grove, then spending time at an Arizona flight school before returning to the Parkside Apartments.

Al-Midhar and Alhamzi spent some time staying with prominent Moslem leader Abdussattar Shaikh, a retired English professor at San Diego State University.

He lives in a two-storey house on a hillside overlooking a Lemon Grove valley. Filled with books and pamphlets on Islam, it's a gathering place for young men who share the culture and faith.

Alhamzi, who said he was from Saudi Arabia, lived with him from September to December. 'He was a loner and didn't talk much,' said Shaikh.

'He said he came here to learn English, but I didn't see him going to school very often. He told me he wanted to marry a Mexican girl. He said that Mexican girls made good wives. The problem was that he didn't know any Spanish. So I taught him a few Spanish phrases.'

The other suspect, Al-Midhar, lived with Shaikh for about four weeks last September. 'Khalid spoke hardly any English. He said he was from Saudi Arabia and he and Nawaq were friends from childhood.

'I never had any hint that they were going to do something this terrible. They never expressed dislike or hatred for America. Looking back, the only strange thing about them was that they always went out to make phone calls rather than make them in the house.

'I feel so sad. I'm doing my best to bring the people together, and I get people like that in my house.'

Hanjoor received pilot training at CRM Airline Training Centre in Scottsdale, Arizona, for three months in 1996 and in December 1997. CRM president Duncan Hastie said Hanjoor, believed to be the pilot of the jet that crashed into the Pentagon, was polite and personable, but a poor student. 'He didn't do his homework and he didn't show up on time.'

Hanjoor received a commercial pilot's licence in 1999.

Neighbours say the three men all returned to live at the Clairemont apartments several months ago.

Apartment manager Holly Ratchford described Alhamzi as polite, an 'attractive guy' who often stopped by the rental office to chat and share coffee and cookies.

Residents at first warmly greeted their neighbours but gave up when they got little or no response. Late in the evening people would come and pick them up 'in really fancy nice cars, brand-new Lincolns'.

Neighbour Freddy Evans said: 'They used the pool, but only when no-one else was there. They were strange. Three grown men playing in the pool like kids.'

Another resident LaBaron Coker saw them abruptly disappear late at night last month. 'I saw them moving out. They had a rental truck.' "

Documents found at Holy Land offices in Richardson, Texas; Paterson, N.J.; San Diego, Calif.; and Ridgeview, Ill.

"Security chiefs on both sides of the Atlantic repeatedly turned down the chance to acquire a vast intelligence database on Osama bin Laden and more than 200 leading members of his al-Qaeda terrorist network in the years leading up to the 11 September attacks."

U.S. Got Warning on Egypt Islamic Group

A MUDDLED EGYPTIAN MIND
"Evidence of that is seen in the handling of a search for two of the hijackers initiated by the CIA 15 days before they crashed American Flight 11 into the Pentagon. On Aug. 27, the CIA sent a high-priority message to the FBI, the INS, the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the State Dept. and Customs. An FBI official said the CIA requested only that the INS put four men on a special watch list immediately. It informed the recipients that all four were suspected terrorists with ties to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, an arm of Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda."

CIA, FBI Disagree on Urgency of Aug. 27 Cable Warning of Terrorists Entering U.S.
"The official, who read parts of the classified cable to The Times, said it warned that the four suspected terrorists, including Almihdhar and Alhazmi, had "confirmed links to Egyptian Islamic Jihad operatives." U.S. intelligence believes the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, one of the world's most ruthless terrorist groups, merged with Al Qaeda last June in Afghanistan.

...The cable added that Almihdhar flew into New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport on July 4 and that Alhazmi flew into Los Angeles on Jan. 15, 2000.

...Field agents were sent first to check Marriott hotels in New York, the address Almihdhar had given when he arrived in July, and then at Sheraton hotels around Los Angeles.."

29 posted on 07/06/2002 10:36:20 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; glorygirl; eclectic; yota; vannrox; knighthawk; Ronneil; Fred Mertz; Betty Jo; ...
Tremendous info in reply #29 Uncle Bill!!!

Here is another one to add to the collection:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711929/posts Al Qaeda Fingered in LAX Attack

Newsmax | 7/6/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 7/6/02 9:19 PM Pacific by NormsRevenge

Saturday July 6, 2002; 10:21 p.m. EDT

Al Qaeda Fingered in LAX Attack

A senior Israeli official said Saturday that an Arab gunman's deadly rampage at Los Angeles International Airport on July 4th had "all the hallmarks of the al-Qaeda organization."

The unnamed official, described by Agence France Presse as "close to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon," said that he had "no doubt" the shooting by Egyptian immigrant Hesham Mohamed Hadayet was a "terrorist" act targeting El Al, Israel's national airline.

"The official however added that there was probably no link to the Palestinian conflict," the French news service reported, "but rather that it bore all the hallmarks of the al-Qaeda organization."

In separate comments late Saturday, former Israeli ambassador to the United Nation's Dore Gold said there's a history of Egyptian nationals like Hadayat being recruited for al Qaeda-connected terrorist operations.

"We've seen Egyptian nationals who have been mobilized into radical Islamic groups before," Gold told WABC's John Batchelor and Paul Alexander.

"You've had the (9-11) operation in New York, the first World Trade Center attack, the assassination of Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York; all usually done by Egyptian jihadists or organizations," he explained.

"And, of course, since many of these organizations have operated against the government of (Egyptian) President Mubarak through Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who eventually merged with Osama bin Laden, we've seen Egyptian nationals involved in al Qaeda," Gold said.

30 posted on 07/06/2002 10:53:18 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Did you say Sacramento?

"But Ali at the same time he was working for Bin Laden was also working as a full time FBI operative out of Sacramento, California from 1992- 1998. Last year representatives of the FBI and CIA claimed to Congress that they just lost track of Ali while Ali was working for Bin Laden."


Come, my friend, fly the friendly skies of Southern California:

Richard R. Baker - Hired As Federal Security Director - New ONT Security chief got negative review
"Baker was a police officer in Wichita, Kan., for six years before joining the FBI in 1978. He worked at the bureau's Oklahoma City office in the 1990s, during which he helped coordinate the investigation of the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building.

That investigation helped teach Baker how to work with several agencies at once, he said. The lesson will come in handy when he takes the reins at ONT, Baker said."

...Transportation agency officials would not say whether the issue was taken into consideration when Baker was chosen for the ONT post by John Magaw, who heads the agency."

As the special agent in charge in the Oklahoma City Division, he supervised a squad of special agents and maintained oversight of investigations in both criminal and intelligence programs. After the bombing of the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City, Baker was the on-scene commander during the preliminary hours of the disaster and established, organized and supervised investigations at the command post.

Capital's FBI chief removed from post
"James Maddock, the high-profile and controversial head of Sacramento's FBI office, was unceremoniously removed from his post late Tuesday and placed on administrative leave.

...The inspectors determined that Maddock, head of the office for three years, needed to be replaced because of his handling of the Yosemite sightseer murder case..

"...Richard R. Baker, a 22-year FBI veteran currently assigned to FBI headquarters, has been appointed interim special agent in charge pending a permanent selection.

...Regarded as a counter-terrorism expert, Maddock was a veteran of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation."

31 posted on 07/06/2002 11:08:36 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; rdavis84; Betty Jo; Lancey Howard; honway; glorygirl
Response to Uncle Bill's reply #31

Thanks for the additional research and info on FBI agents Maddock and Baker.

Maddock and Baker are NOT America's finest. They really solved the OKC case didn't they? What many don't know about the ME connection to OKC that Baker and Maddock covered up will get Americans killed. But, they were just carring out unlawful orders form Freeh and Reno-the Nuremberg defense. But Bush, AShcroft and Mueller say do not go there, put it behind us.

Should we sleep well knowing that the FBI is supposed to protect us from the sleeper cells they allowed to be created under Ali Mohammed and still will not roll up?

The FBI still gets their pensions, bigger budgets and more powers while we get less freedom and less safety.

But our wonderful politicians in Congress will make it better won't they? They say they will, but we could be dead at the hands of more terrorist attacks by the time they ever do anything adequate to cleanup failed personnel and policies at the FBI and DOJ.

But wait, Mueller and AShcroft and the White House say America should inlist the American Muslim Coucil and Hamas terrorists in the US to fight the war on terrorism.

Jayna Davis has told David Schippers that I am too hard on and critical of certain of her personal FBI agent friends (like Dan Vogel and perhaps Baker and Maddock), too anti-FBI misconduct and therefore am not politically correct and should be ignored about the OKC bombing according to what I am told by reliable friends I know who know Schippers.

In my informed opinion (from sources and my own interactions) Schippers and Davis want the FBI reformed but they want the reforms of some of their FBI agent friends that are also culpable and who won't reform the FBI enough the right way. The FBI should not be allowed to have FBI agents reform the FBI alone. In my opinion Schippers and Davis are way too close to the FBI to rely on them to get the really adequate reforms needed in the FBI.

32 posted on 07/06/2002 11:35:50 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Sabertooth; Victoria Delsoul
FYI

There is also some tremendous info in the replies on this thread from Uncle Bill.

33 posted on 07/06/2002 11:47:34 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Uncle Bill
Lemon Grove, Calif.
Old stomping ground from the Navy days. Beautiful place. "Home of the Best Weather in America".
Not far at all from Dictionary Hill in Jamul.
34 posted on 07/07/2002 12:18:45 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Uncle Bill
First sentence...THREE of the suspected hijackers plotted their part in the atrocity from a home in furnished with little more than a television.
Last sentence...Another resident LaBaron Coker saw them abruptly disappear late at night last month. 'I saw them moving out. They had a rental truck.' "
The obvious question...Why would they need a truck?
35 posted on 07/07/2002 12:24:10 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: OKCSubmariner; Sabertooth; Askel5; philman_36
LIVING WITH THE TERRORIST ENEMY
"Khalid Al-Midhar, Nawaq Alhamzi and Hani Hanjoor disappeared late one night about three weeks ago from the two-storey Parkside Apartments on Mount Ada Road, Clairemont, in San Diego.

Residents at first warmly greeted their neighbours but gave up when they got little or no response. Late in the evening people would come and pick them up 'in really fancy nice cars, brand-new Lincolns'."


Hesham Mohamed Hadayet

Neighbors Describe Gunman as Aloof, Devout
"He called his service Five Star Limo--not related to the similarly named Five Star Limousine of Huntington Beach. State records show he began with a six-passenger Lincoln. The next year, he added a nine-passenger limousine."

A company named Five Star – Limo was listed at his home address. The company Web site says Five Star serves local airports including LAX and John Wayne Airport.

Here's Hesham Mohamed Hadayet's website, though it's shut down now.

24 Hour Sedan Service
(949) 653-6800

Luxury Lincoln Towncars & Mercedes Benz

 

Specials:
  • Airport Transportation 
    - LAX
    - John Wayne Airport
    - Long Beach
    - Ontario
  • Business Meetings
  • Hotel Conventions
  • Sight Seeing Tours
  • Hourly Charters
  • Attractions (Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, Universal Studios, Sea World, San Diego Zoo)
  • and much more ...

COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE

 

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Corporate Billing available...

We accept all major credit cards

 

Licensed by the Public Utilities Commission (TCP# 11222-P)

 

FOR RESERVATION:

Phone: (949) 653-6800

E-mail: sales@fivestar-limo.com
Fax: (949) 733-8684Address: 5 Willowrun, Irvine, CA 92604

 

There's No Substitute for the BEST...
Member of Anaheim / Orange County Visitor & Convention Bureau

Another
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Al-Hayat: LAX gunman may have met with bin Laden deputy

36 posted on 07/07/2002 2:22:49 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for all the info.
37 posted on 07/07/2002 6:55:41 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: OKCSubmariner
How dare you accuse this poor Egyptian man of being linked to some sort of Jihad. He was a tortured man who, driven to despare, acted on his own. Don't you watch the news?
39 posted on 07/07/2002 7:07:18 AM PDT by arm958
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To: Palladin
What do you expect when all their ancestors back to the Pharoahs were boinking their sisters?

That helps explain why Eqypt is a completely disfunctional country.

40 posted on 07/07/2002 7:10:50 AM PDT by arm958
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the ping.

BUMP

41 posted on 07/07/2002 8:20:49 AM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot; Shermy; nunya bidness; Fred Mertz; honway; Uncle Bill; aristeides; B4Ranch; lawdog; ...
Even more clues:

Al-Hayat: LAX gunman may have met with bin Laden deputy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711985/posts

Ha'aretz | 7/07/02 | Zohar Blumenkrantz and Benny Landau

Authorities are investigating whether Hesham Mohammed Hadayet, the Egyptian who gunned down two people at Los Angeles International Airport last Thursday, met in the United States with Osama bin Laden's deputy, an Arabic paper reported at the weekend.

The London-based Al-Hayat said that authorities were checking whether Hadayet had met with Ayman Al-Zawahiri in 1995 and again in 1998, while the latter was head of the Al-Jihad organization in Egypt.

Al-Zawahiri, who visited California in 1998, went on to become bin Laden's right-hand man. His current whereabouts are unknown. Hadayet, 41, was shot dead by an El Al security official soon after opening fire on the crowd of people queuing at the ticket counter of Israel's national carrier.

Ali Mohammed accompanied Al-Zawahiri when Al-Zawahiri came to California in 1998. If Hadayet met with Al-Zawahiri it further increases the likelihood of the link between Ali Mohammed, Bin Laden's Egyptian lieutenant for AlQaeda and FBI operative. How much of this did the FBI/CIA know at the time and how much did they not know but should have known??

Thanks to aristeides for reminding me that ALi Mohammed had traveled with Egyptian Al-Zawhari in California in 1998.

Based on Uncle Bill's reply #36, it is even possible that Hadayaet provided Lincoln limosines for Hanni Hanjour, the Hijacker pilot, and perhaps AlZawahiri when ALi Mohammed was squiring him around in California in 1998.

42 posted on 07/07/2002 11:00:58 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Uncle Bill
Excellent work in reply #36 Uncle Bill.
43 posted on 07/07/2002 11:02:35 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: knighthawk; Victoria Delsoul; yota; vannrox
Pleasee see replies #36 and #42. Thanks.
44 posted on 07/07/2002 11:03:49 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
For whatever it's worth, this and several related links were mass emailed to the usual suspects among letters to editors and "opinionators." More people will see it.
45 posted on 07/07/2002 11:07:50 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Tahnks for your efforts to get the word out on this story.
46 posted on 07/07/2002 11:18:25 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
. How much of this did the FBI/CIA know at the time and how much did they not know but should have known??

If they didn't know all of it, they should have.

47 posted on 07/07/2002 11:48:39 AM PDT by carenot
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To: OKCSubmariner
Are the state limo docs public nfo in California?

It might be interesting to see what other ME is driving Mr.Crazy.

What will be the Bush admin reaction when the connections become the nightly news obsessions?
48 posted on 07/07/2002 12:03:30 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: OKCSubmariner
The 1993 WTC attack was planned in OKC at a Hamas conference shown in CNN reporter Steve Emerson's video 'Jihad in America" which was filmed at the conference in December 1991. And Khalid Mohammed appears to have been involved in the OKC bombing as well as the 9/11 attacks and the 1993 WTC attack.

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Based on Uncle Bill's reply #36, it is even possible that Hadayaet provided Lincoln limosines for Hanni Hanjour, the Hijacker pilot, and perhaps AlZawahiri when ALi Mohammed was squiring him around in California in 1998.

Very interesting. Steven Emerson wrote, American Jihad: The terrorists living among us.

This is some of what I've read:

"The United States Government is actively monitoring terrorist cells affiliated with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network in eleven cities, from Florida to Boston to Denver to Houston. But al Qaeda is hardly our only threat. Some of Hamas's top officials have been based in America, and the organization has tentacles in Texas, California, New Jersey, Virginia, and Illinois. The University of South Florida played host to key members of the infamous organization known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad -- one of its faculty members even left the country to take that group's top leadership role after his predecessor was assassinated. Hizballah has been tied to cells in North Carolina and Michigan, from which it allegedly drew funds and attempted to procure military equipment. In short, September 11, 2001, was hardly an isolated or unpredictable event. The United States has become home to hundreds and probably thousands of terrorists, and it has become a central node in their international networks.

"Steven Emerson, hailed as "the nation's leading expert on Islamist terrorism," has been working full-time since 1993 to track the spread of terrorist networks to our shores, even at great personal risk. In 1995, not long after the release of his PBS documentary "Jihad in America," he was informed by federal officials that a South African Islamist death squad had been dispatched after him, and told that he should leave his home immediately. Since then he has not maintained a home address, though he has continued to write and testify under his own name. With the help of a staff of researchers he has followed the terrorists' monetary sources, monitored their attacks and plans, exposed their ties to charitable foundations, and assisted a variety of government agencies in the battle against them. He has obtained videotaped evidence of terrorist training camps and conferences, and tracked the international connections of American operatives to over a dozen organizations."

49 posted on 07/07/2002 12:05:10 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: mewzilla
FYI.

Please see reply #42 also. Thanks.
50 posted on 07/07/2002 12:56:33 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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