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1 posted on 07/06/2002 8:39:42 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
...fuelled fears that the attack could be a terrorist strike against Israel.

I think statements like this are just absurd. What difference does it make if it WAS a "terrorist attack?" Does that mean it MIGHT indicate there are terrorists who want to target Israel? LOL!

To me this is like the statements you read from time to time such as: "The murder is being investigated on suspicion that it might have been a 'hate crime'". What bullsh*t! What difference if it was a "hate crime" or not? The person is dead, and hate is everywhere.

Just PC semantics.

2 posted on 07/06/2002 8:46:13 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Jethro Tull
Huh? At yesterday's afternoon press conference, FBI Agent Garcia said Hadayet was definitely NOT on any watchlist.
3 posted on 07/06/2002 8:48:36 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Jethro Tull
I'll be interested in knowing how he got the Glocks and if there was a NICS check.

Has anybody thought to add these 'watched' arab moslem males to the prohibited list?
4 posted on 07/06/2002 8:48:56 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Jethro Tull
A senior Israeli official in Jerusalem meanwhile said Israel had "no doubt" that the fatal shooting attack Los Angeles was a terrorist attack.

I think we need an emergency Israel-US lend-lease program. We can start with the FBI, they desperately need to borrow a clue.

5 posted on 07/06/2002 8:50:01 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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....drip .....drip .....drip.

If we let out the information v e r y ..... s l o w l y the sheeple will be asleep and when questioned later, we can say, "All information was processed to the American people. Here's the proof."

So now he was on the FBI's "watch list." Apparently the FBI wasn't "watching." Two innocents were killed by a non-citizen who was allowed to stay in this country even though he was on a "watch list." Why isn't every single person on the FBI's "watch list" been deported?
7 posted on 07/06/2002 8:51:39 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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LA airport gunman on FBI watchlist

Maybe he should have been on the FBI follow list. Or the FBI stop if he has a gun and is heading to the airport list.

Personally I think the FBI should just have one list, Shot the piece of $hit list.

8 posted on 07/06/2002 8:52:07 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Jethro Tull
Sounds like a terrorist incident is getting like a “Hate’ crime, only certain people can commit a ‘Hate’ crime.
9 posted on 07/06/2002 8:55:18 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Jethro Tull
"Witness accounts indicate that no words were spoken," by the gunman before he opened fire, Ron Idem, assistant special FBI agent in charge, told reporters

This also is an important piece of info. There is lots of misinformation going around that he was in some sort of argument before he shot.

As far as being on a watch list, that was reported Thursday night. Garcia seems to be two things, one a moron, but second a PR agent who spews meaningless drivel.

13 posted on 07/06/2002 9:00:18 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Jethro Tull
Reports said his wife and children were currently in Egypt and that a search was underway for other relatives.

How much do you want to bet that the authorities in Egypt give his family a substantial reward?

14 posted on 07/06/2002 9:02:41 AM PDT by 07055
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This guy is on an FBI watchlist and was able to purchase guns and obtain not one but two driver's licenses? I suppose the FBI was too busy watching those 80 Americans in Waco and later burning them to keep a good eye on this one. Besides, he's a foreigner and political correctness instructs the FBI only to watch American citizens.
17 posted on 07/06/2002 9:07:24 AM PDT by FITZ
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More info on the gunman can be found at

http://www.debka.com/

18 posted on 07/06/2002 9:09:18 AM PDT by Retiredforever
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Last update - 19:06 06/07/2002

Egypt says surprised by furor over Los Angeles shooting

By Zohar Blumenkrantz and Benny Landau, Ha'aretz Correspondents, Ha'aretz Service and agencies

CAIRO - Egypt's foreign minister expressed surprise on Saturday at the furore over a deadly attack by an Egyptian national at Los Angeles airport, saying the motives were still unclear and similar incidents occurred frequently.

Egypt's official Middle East News Agency (MENA) said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher told reporters in Cairo that such incidents occur repeatedly in the United States and other countries and said he was surprised by the exaggeration of this event in particular.

"Until now, nobody knows the motives behind this incident. We have to await the outcome of the current investigations so that we can review them," MENA quoted Maher as saying.

Egypt's semi-official al-Ahram daily said on Saturday that local security authorities had no information on record about Hadayet and there was no evidence he had any links to extremist activities when he lived in Egypt.

Ex-employee of El Al gunman tells NY Times: 'He had hate for Israel' In an interview to The New York Times published Saturday, a former employee of the Egyptian who shot dead two people and wounded seven others at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport on Thursday that he "often heard his boss express virulent anti-Israeli sentiments."

Hesham Mohammed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian, "had hate for Israel, for sure," Syrian-born Abdul Zahab told The New York Times. "He told me that the Israelis tried to destroy the Egyptian nation and the Egyptian population by sending prostitutes with AIDS to Egypt. He said that the two biggest drug dealers in New York are Israeli."

Hadayet was shot dead by an El Al security official soon after opening fire on the crowd of people queuing at the ticket counter.

El Al flight LY 106 from Los Angeles to Tel Aviv arrived at Ben-Gurion International Airport in the early hours of Saturday morning, after its delay following Thursday night's shooting attack.

The plane was carrying 119 passengers. Some 40 passengers elected to remain in the United States until after Shabbat, Israel Radio reported.

The flight was due to fly to Tel Aviv with a stop over in Toronto. It was scheduled to land in Israel at 4 P.M. Friday.

The FBI said Friday it had no indication suggesting that the attack was an act of terrorism, but said the gunman's motive was still unclear. (Click here for a look inside El Al security.)

"He was not on any FBI or FAA watch list," FBI agent Richard Garcia told a news conference. He added that authorities still had several days work to do "to determine whether this person acted in an act of terrorism."

"We have not determined whether he had any anti-Israeli views," Garcia said, adding that it was still "very difficult to determine the exact motive" for the shooting.

The FBI said earlier that Hadayet apparently was not connected to any terror organizations, and probably acted on his own.

Hadayet, who also goes by the last name Ali, was a legal resident who worked as a limousine driver, FBI spokesman Matt McLaughlin said. The motive remained uncertain and there was no evidence anyone else was involved, McLaughlin said.

The FBI spokesman suggested that the attack might fall into the category of a hate crime and said the man was heavily armed.

The White House also said Friday that there was no indication suggesting that the attack was the work of terrorists.

"There is no evidence, no indication at this time that this is terrorists," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Friday. He added that President George W. Bush extended his condolences to the victims.

The two people killed at the attack at El Al's ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport were identified as Ya'akov Aminov, 47, and El Al stewardess Vicky Chen, both of them residents of Los Angeles, Israel Radio reported Friday morning. (Click here for more on the victims.)

FBI agents searched Hadayet's apartment Friday in the southern California city of Irvine after finding his car in a parking lot at the airport hours after the shooting. Neighbors told police the man's wife and two children were in Egypt.

Hadayat lived in the United States since 1992. He was not a U.S. citizen, but had a green card enabling him to work in the country.

FBI officials also said that Hadayat did not speak during the attack, contradicting earlier eye-witness reports that he shouted "He took my job" during the shooting.

Egyptian police question gunman's father and wife Egyptian police questioned Hadayet's father and wife, security guards at the father's apartment building said Friday.

The police police arrived at the apartment of Hadayet's father in downtown Cairo on Friday morning, the building's security guards said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The husband of Hesham Hadayet's aunt, Hassan Mostafa Mahfouz, said Hadayet's wife and sister were taken away for questioning by Egyptian intelligence.

He said the family was waiting for confirmation from the American Embassy about Hesham's involvement. "We want to be sure if he is behind the attack."

Mahfouz said that July 4 was Hadayet's birthday and that Hadayet had called his father on Thursday as he knew his father would want to wish him happy birthday.

Israel: L.A. shooting was terror attack Transportation Minister Ephraim Sneh reiterated Friday that the shooting was an apparent act of terror, saying that the it was a "logical assumption" that the incident was a terrorist attack, in an interview to CNN.

"We are going to assume that it's a terror attack until proven otherwise," the minister told Israel Radio on Friday.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Yaffa Ben-Ari issued a statement saying: "The terrorists deliberately chose the Fourth of July to carry out their crime on the soil of the United States."
22 posted on 07/06/2002 9:21:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jethro Tull
It’s funny that whenever this story comes up no one mentions the fact that one victim suffered a heart attack in the El Al terminal during the gun fight. Could this be because the fact that a man was so terrorized he had heart attack would end the argument over whether this was a terror attack.

Our Federal Government will always try to justify these acts in anyway, so long as it is not called terrorism. If these attacks are identified as terror it would show the United States is losing the war, not to mention offending the power hungry liberals.

On the same day a private plane crashed into a large group of people during a public 4th of July Celebration. Terrorism was dismissed right away, because supposedly mayday calls were transmitted from the aircraft. What better way to maker sure your insurance covers you during an act of terrorism then to fake an emergency and broadcast mayday requests while on your way to the target. Not only do you accomplish your goal of murdering innocent civilians, but your family gets a big payoff too.

32 posted on 07/06/2002 12:31:08 PM PDT by Fearless Flyers
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FYI
40 posted on 07/06/2002 2:38:13 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Jethro Tull
It took a while to figure out where your source was:

The Aussie Sydney Herald , is that a Murdoch paper?

I wonder if they are just parroting the slivers of info we have seen over here.

48 posted on 07/06/2002 4:28:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Oh, Hooray.

55 posted on 07/06/2002 4:43:06 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jethro Tull
was an Egyptian immigrant on an FBI watchlist, officials said today.

What BS, anyone could write an article saying so and so was on an FBI watchlist. I could! Does that make it true?

56 posted on 07/06/2002 4:43:44 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Jethro Tull
He's one of thousands that are here with agenda's of death. Bet the rent......
67 posted on 07/06/2002 6:04:43 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: FreeReign
I told you so.
73 posted on 07/06/2002 8:26:11 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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