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New Army artillery piece that can fire 8 rounds that hit a target simultaneously
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Posted on 05/03/2002 8:41:14 AM PDT by mhking

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I'd buy that for a dollar!

Y'think Saddam would like us to use this?

1 posted on 05/03/2002 8:41:14 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
How cool. You gotta click & enlarge the photos too. And I do hope Saddam gets to see it in action...
2 posted on 05/03/2002 8:44:28 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: mhking
I want one.
3 posted on 05/03/2002 8:45:03 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain
Is there a 10 day waiting period?
4 posted on 05/03/2002 8:46:09 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: bribriagain
This program is the one that Rumsfeld just canceled. 11B bucks.
5 posted on 05/03/2002 8:46:49 AM PDT by cksharks
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To: mhking
The name Crusader will offend our Moslem allies in the war against terror. But that's just gravy.
6 posted on 05/03/2002 8:46:56 AM PDT by Norman Conquest
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To: mhking
It's a dead program.

UDLP, the manufacturer, has mismanaged it and only a prototype exists after 18 billion $ and another 16 b$ to put it into production.

Rummy is going to kill it in the next defense bill.

7 posted on 05/03/2002 8:48:47 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: mhking
One Crusader vehicle can fire up to 8 rounds to strike a single target at the same time.

That has got to hurt!

8 posted on 05/03/2002 8:51:12 AM PDT by Faraday
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Spat over artillery system goes public

By MICHAEL HEDGES
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- A high-level Pentagon spat between Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Army Secretary Thomas White has emerged over the future of an expensive new artillery system the Army covets.

In a Pentagon briefing Thursday, Rumsfeld was visually peeved at reports that White, a former Enron executive under scrutiny for his sale of company stock, had sought to lobby Congress for the Crusader artillery system after learning Rumsfeld wanted the $11 billion program canceled. "I have a minimum of high regard for that kind of behavior," Rumsfeld said.

The dispute became public at a time White is already under the pressure of two separate investigations. The FBI is probing whether White improperly sought information from Enron officials between June and October as he was selling $12.1 million in company stock -- and Enron's stock value was tumbling.

And the Pentagon's inspector general is reviewing White's use of a military jet after reports surfaced that he stopped at a location where he was selling a house to close on that deal during a business trip without reimbursing the Army.

White has denied any wrongdoing in either matter.

The former vice chairman of Enron's energy services left a $55 million-a-year job with the company in early 2001 to take the post as Army secretary.

On Wednesday, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz met with White and told him to cancel the Crusader program within 30 days and come up with an alternative way to replace it, sources said.

Shortly after that, the Army's legislative affairs office faxed important members of Congress talking points describing why the system needed to be saved.

Rumsfeld said Thursday that even though the Army was asked to prepare alternatives, it did not mean a decision to cancel Crusader was irrevocable.

But he acknowledged such a step "clearly suggests that that's the intention -- to cancel it."

Rumsfeld was not happy that his authority to order service branches to cut weapons programs was being challenged.

"Ought a president and a secretary of defense and a deputy secretary of defense be able to expect that the leadership (of the military) and the overwhelming majority will in fact be supportive once a decision is made? Of course," he said.

Asked if he was concerned White might be fighting a "rear-guard action" to save the Crusader system, he said, "We are looking into that right now."

An Army spokesman said White had no comment on the Crusader issue Thursday.

One military official who spoke on background said the matter could become the decisive issue that leads to White's resignation from the Army.

"It may be that this becomes a matter of principle he can leave on with a certain amount of grace," the official said.

But William Taylor, a military expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies said, "What we've got going on is bureaucratic politics. It is nothing new. White isn't going behind Rumsfeld's back -- both of them know the other's position on this."

White said, "This is just a typical high-level debate over a weapon system that is in danger. This one is just out in the open."

The Crusader is a high-tech, mobile 155 mm self-propelled howitzer. It is lighter and more mobile than existing self-propelled artillery pieces, and the Army has told Congress it is crucial to plans for a more rapid deployment ability.

About $2 billion of a projected $11 billion cost for the program has already been spent. It was supposed to enter the service in 2008.

9 posted on 05/03/2002 8:52:23 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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How does this compare to S. Afrika's most advanced artillery piece. In range, weight, accuracy and most important of all, transportability. I understand only one Crusader will fit in the largest transport aircraft. Not very efficient way to get to the battle.
10 posted on 05/03/2002 8:53:30 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: mhking
I believe it needs a field test to make sure it works right, especially in hot, sandy conditions.
11 posted on 05/03/2002 8:55:00 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: mhking
A great system, for the last war, but what are the advantages over airstrikes from UMA, B52s, B-1s, Tomahawk and cruise mnissles, etc. Once you consider the costs of the Crusader and at least one, sometimes more, resupply vehicles I see no operational cost advantage. This would have been real cool in WII, Korea, and maybe Vietnam (maybe not) but technology has already made it obsolete. I see why Rumsfield wants to kill it.
12 posted on 05/03/2002 8:57:21 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: cksharks
I thought he said it was under review, not terminated.
13 posted on 05/03/2002 8:57:38 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: mhking
I think I saw something about this concept a few years ago. The cannon actually has multiple rounds in the tube at the same time and they are fired simultaneously.
14 posted on 05/03/2002 8:58:19 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I understand only one Crusader will fit in the largest transport aircraft. Not very efficient way to get to the battle.

From the article:

    United Defense has reduced the weight and size of the Crusader vehicle from 60 tons to 38 to 41 tons allowing two vehicles rather than one to be transported on a C-5 or C-17 aircraft.

15 posted on 05/03/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by TomB
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I bet the MLRS can fill the void - sorry you 13Bs - you'll still be saying "ramming" & "I see red!" way into this century!
16 posted on 05/03/2002 8:59:58 AM PDT by DSHambone
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To: Future Snake Eater
The target that is hit simultaneously with those eight rounds will be located in Ft. Sill, Oklahoma...which is about the only place those beasts can be deployed.
17 posted on 05/03/2002 9:00:01 AM PDT by IGOTMINE
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To: mhking
That could really put a dent in your day.
18 posted on 05/03/2002 9:00:14 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: LetsRok
The cannon actually has multiple rounds in the tube at the same time and they are fired simultaneously.

Actually the rounds are loaded and fired separately. The fire control computer can give each round a different trajectory so they land on the target at the same time.

19 posted on 05/03/2002 9:00:54 AM PDT by TomB
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To: mhking
One Crusader vehicle can fire up to 8 rounds to strike a single target at the same time. The digital fire control system calculates separate firing solutions for each of the 8 projectiles.

If it works like this, I am impressed. Talk about a BFG!

20 posted on 05/03/2002 9:02:42 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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