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U.S.-Saudi joint bid doubted [I'm not a cat's-paw]
Miami Herald Online ^ | BY WARREN P. STROBEL

Posted on 05/02/2002 4:42:28 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

WASHINGTON - The United States and Saudi Arabia are working more closely than ever to try to bring peace to the Middle East, but whether they are ready, willing or able to intervene forcefully enough to make a difference remains an open question. Continues.

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William Safire's 'Walk Back The Cat', or: I'm not a cat's-paw

When it comes to the New York Times, color me cynical. Maybe even *cynical* isn't quite strong enough. Seldom -- very seldom -- is anything printed on the pages of that pathetic excuse for a "newspaper" these days even vaguely believable. I even double check the date (well, not really, but you get the picture).

So, imagine my delight at William Safire's bolt-from-the-blue,'Walk back the cat'. For denizens of Palm Beach County, Mr. Safire is Times' resident 'conservative' and senior columnist. (Some, yours truly included, might well question Safire's 'conservative' credentials, having once endorsed Clinton for president; then again, at the Gray Lady anything right of uncle Joe is 'right-wing extremism'.)

'Bolt-from-the-blue'? Well, reading between-the-lines, sounds to me like there's trouble in paradise, folks.

The subject of his column was a piece by Times "reporter" Patrick E. Tyler, headlined, Arab Politics; Saudi to Warn Bush of Rupture Over Israeli Policy, which touched off a firestorm of controversy last week. Mr. Tyler, ostensibly quoting anonymous 'sources' supposedly 'close' to the Crown Prince on the eve of his trip, wrote of how the royal family, piqued at U.S. support for Sharon, would threaten the President by brandishing the oil weapon -- even booting U.S. soldiers from Saudi bases was on the table -- that is, unless President Bush did a brisk 180 on Israel.

Put another way, the House of Saud was threatening war on the United States unless the President reversed U.S. policy towards Israel -- pronto. Where I live, we call that blackmail, plain and simple.

The Bush-bashers had a field day. America, forget that post-9/11 persona of strength and resolve -- it's a crock; to hear Mr. Tyler tell it, Bush is a wimp, a weakling, a pantywaist, a push-over. Prince Abdullah would breezily make quick work of this milksop. Even conservative talk-radio mavens, adjourning their normally skeptical impulses, unwittingly swallowed the Gray Lady bait -- hook, line and sinker.

From the dribble of news reports since the meeting in Crawford, we learned a completely different scenario unfolded. Gray Lady had egg on her face. But few of her pawns -- William Kristol, et al -- have shown the slightest remorse for grossly misjudging the President.

But I digress.

"Patrick Tyler", writes Safire, "is among the most experienced foreign correspondents in the business. Pat has resisted manipulation and seen through deceit during years in Moscow and Beijing, and we can trust his description of the Saudi source and the accuracy of the quotations."

Uh, hello? Why should this even be at issue? In my neck of the woods, Safire is damning his colleague with faint praise. His choice of "resisted" and "seen" are provocative -- both are past-tense. Not quite a vote-of-confidence, I'd say.

Mr. Safire, thou praisesth your colleague too much.

After leading the reader through a quick tour of varying scenarios, likely and unlikely, to account for the gulf between Tyler's article and what had actually transpired, Safire tosses in another titillating non-sequitur: "The Saudi source (and I'll never ask my colleague who it was, because the rule of background is more absolute than the rule of Saudi rulers)...."

This is gonzo language.

Translation: My associate is a storyteller, a fibber. I don't buy his cock-and-bull tale, not for a minute; that's why I'm tempted -- oh-so-tempted -- to grill him, cross-examine him......get him to cough up that phony "source" of his, just to prove my point.

Reading too much into this? Maybe. Maybe not.

Excuse me, but this 'Tyler-is-credible, Tyler-wouldn't-lie, Tyler-wouldn't-fudge, Tyler-wouldn't-fake', blah-blah-blah echo-chamber media mantra (MSNBC's Chris Matthews has spent a week defending Tyler) is pegging my B.S. detector, big time.

Fishy -- very, very fishy.

Anyway, that's...

My two cents..
"JohnHuang2"



TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abdullah; houseofsaud; safire; saudiarabia
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1 posted on 05/02/2002 4:42:28 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: xm177e2;mercy;Wait4Truth;hole_n_one;GretchenEE;Clinton's a rapist;buffyt;ladyinred;WolfsView...
Gotta run -- see y'all later.
2 posted on 05/02/2002 4:55:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
I still say the source for that story was Bill Kristol, especially since he was ready with a column that neatly dovetailed into Tyler's article.
3 posted on 05/02/2002 5:00:27 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: JohnHuang2
My issue with your post is that it ignores Safire's central thesis: a crisis within the Saudi heirarchy. I don't see that Safire is criticizing Tyler at all, least of all by implication. Rather, I see him emphasizing the latter possibility (I read the column as well) of division in the throne room, or tent, as it were.

What this leads to, and what Safire doesn't address, is that what is going on here is a legitimacy crisis within the al-Saud family. What Bush has done, quite well I might add, is to have given the Saudis a decisive "role" in Mideast diplomacy. This gives Abdullah something to show his more ultramontaine relatives in the Family, and increases his prestige and honor relative to Mubarak and the despised King Abdullah the Hashemite, "Boy King" of Jordan.

It's a bone, of course. Bush is keeping his eyes on the prize: the Thief of Baghdad. The signals are coming out of Washington with increasing frequency that things are about to start ramping up around Iraq. Everything depends on undoing the Hussein regime. The installation of a constitutionally based federal republic in Iraq would be a cancer to the rest of the Arab dictatorships. And I think that this is something Bush knows that his father never understood.

Giving the Saudis a role gives them a stake in American diplomacy and American strategic aims. They just don't see that those strategic aims are at variance with their own.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

4 posted on 05/02/2002 5:11:53 AM PDT by section9
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To: JohnHuang2
New York Times, get a bird cage bottom to cover.
5 posted on 05/02/2002 5:23:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump. I guess the Clymer Friedman's article today is a real hoot too...
6 posted on 05/02/2002 6:05:46 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: JohnHuang2
bump!
Mornin', John! :O)

7 posted on 05/02/2002 6:14:36 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: JohnHuang2
On Meet the Press Sunday, Benjamin Netanyahu had this to say about the Saudi threat:

Do you believe that he (Prince Abdullah) said that? Do you believe he acutally threatened the United States? I mean, that's a new definition of chutzpah. These gusy have been -- this regime has been funding Islamic militancy worldwide, from the Phillipines to the West Coast of the United States. They've funded the Taliban. They funded Osama Bin Laden. He'd never had have gotten to the proportions that he got without Saudi funding. And they have the temerity to tell the US that they will face great danger if they support, assist a democracy facing the terrorism they've been sponsoring? That's ridiculous. I mean, I think that the Saudis should be exposed for what they are. They should be taken not with a grain of salt, but with a grain of acid, because they are really responsible for a good part of the madness that has proliferated here. And by the way, the idea of ventilating societies, maybe we ought to start with Saudi Arabia, which is one of the most backward, cloistered dictatorships in the world.

I think Netanyahu is right. The Saudis are playing both sides against the middle. Sooner or later, US foreign policy is going to have to recognize that when it comes to terrorism, the Saudis are just as involved as the Saddam.

8 posted on 05/02/2002 6:23:14 AM PDT by carton253
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To: JohnHuang2
Safire sits with rest of them on the sinking ship of declining newspaper circulation. Safire has been struggling for a story ever since dropping the ball on the ChiComs and your handles namesake.

Chris, above, is right. The Saudis are fragile.

9 posted on 05/02/2002 6:33:33 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: flamefront
Chris, above, is right. The Saudis are fragile.

Agreed! Aren't they just two generations away from riding camels across sand dunes. If their oil stays in the ground, they will have to get back on the camels.

10 posted on 05/02/2002 6:56:47 AM PDT by maica
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To: Miss Marple
No doubt about it!
11 posted on 05/02/2002 7:49:42 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I'm beginning to be less annoyed and more amused by the two-step being done by the media in response to Dubya's game of high stakes poker. He's been holding a good hand full of Aces, and just drew the King of Camels. It'll be time to lay 'em on the table soon, and watch a few other players fold, or go boom and lose all their chips.

As far as Safire, he uses to many words to think clearly. Any 'conservative' who endorsed x42 in '92 is one of the fog bound. I have great affection for Safire, always perk up when he's on the tube, but since I don't watch ABC Sunday any more, I don't see him much. He did come around to render a rather harsh judgement of Hil and Bill as those eight years of blight wore one, and is one of my fave pundits

12 posted on 05/02/2002 8:04:53 AM PDT by jwfiv
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To: JohnHuang2
This is gonzo language.

Translation: My associate is a storyteller, a fibber. I don't buy his cock-and-bull tale, not for a minute; that's why I'm tempted -- oh-so-tempted -- to grill him, cross-examine him......get him to cough up that phony "source" of his, just to prove my point.

You got that right! LOL!!!

13 posted on 05/02/2002 8:10:24 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: JohnHuang2
My B.S. meter goes off every time Matthews opens his mouth, (and I ain't talking 'bout Barbara Streisand)! ;^)

Thanks for another great read John.

14 posted on 05/02/2002 5:05:52 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: JohnHuang2
the House of Saud was threatening war on the United States

That's a weak metaphoric use of the word for which we can blame LBJ. Holocaust, genocide, jihad, all used in exaggeration, usually in attempted demagogism.

15 posted on 05/02/2002 5:18:15 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you for the ping.
16 posted on 05/02/2002 5:53:55 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Miss Marple
You may be on to something, my friend.
17 posted on 05/03/2002 12:09:09 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Re: #5 - indeed, Cincy.
18 posted on 05/03/2002 12:10:10 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for bumping =^)
19 posted on 05/03/2002 12:10:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: eureka!
hehehe
20 posted on 05/03/2002 12:10:57 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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