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Erroneous ticket drives motorist to distraction
SunSpot.Net ^ | April 18, 2002 | Marcia Myers

Posted on 04/18/2002 5:13:59 AM PDT by zandtar

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Citation: A Severn resident finds himself on an unexpected odyssey through a maddening bureaucratic maze.

Charles Ricketts opened his mail two Saturdays ago to find a traffic citation with supposedly foolproof evidence that he had run a red light.

The enclosed photo, taken at 4:48 p.m. March 26 by an enforcement camera at Reisterstown Road and Menlo Drive, showed a dark purple Dodge Caravan with Maryland license plate M182782. Ricketts drives a dark green Plymouth Voyager with an almost identical Maryland plate - M182781.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; camera; cameras; police; redlight; ticket; traffic; violation
Just something to remember when the government starts telling us how such camera's are for our "protection". Or when hypocrates like Neil Boortz start pushing for such things.
1 posted on 04/18/2002 5:13:59 AM PDT by zandtar
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To: zandtar
I can't wait for the national IDs and biometric identification to be implemented. After all, the government never makes mistakes, do they? At least this guy gets to straighten the situation out from his home; get misidentified as a felon (or worse, terrorist) and you won't get that luxury.
2 posted on 04/18/2002 5:17:39 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: zandtar
Was that Buttle or Tuttle.........
3 posted on 04/18/2002 5:41:37 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy

4 posted on 04/18/2002 5:50:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: zandtar
For the attorneys out there: Is there any cause of action against the city or is this covered by some form of municipal immunity? It would be just if the city had to pay his legal and lost time costs if he has to go to court.
5 posted on 04/18/2002 6:11:31 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: zandtar
It had rained March 26, and the road was wet, he recalled. An agent for Long & Foster, he was rushing between appointments and went through the red light rather than slam on his brakes and possibly skid into the intersection. He saw the camera flash behind him.

In most, if not all, states a motorist has the right and duty to avoid accidents, other traffic regulations notwithstanding. If the motorist judged that stopping at the red light would have created a substantial risk of an accident--sigificantly above the risk imposed by proceeding through it--the motorist had the duty to go through the red light while doing whatever was possible to minimize the risk of collision (possibily sounding horn to alert other drivers, etc.)

6 posted on 04/18/2002 6:18:40 AM PDT by supercat
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To: zandtar
He should just have ignored the ticket. If there is no record that he received the ticket then it has not been legally served. His response, however, is taken as an implicit acceptance of service.
7 posted on 04/18/2002 6:45:57 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: supercat
In most, if not all, states a motorist has the right and duty to avoid accidents, other traffic regulations notwithstanding. If the motorist judged that stopping at the red light would have created a substantial risk of an accident--sigificantly above the risk imposed by proceeding through it--the motorist had the duty to go through the red light while doing whatever was possible to minimize the risk of collision (possibily sounding horn to alert other drivers, etc.)

That may be so but in admitting the above you have just got yourself a charge of Failure to control a vehicle, Reckless driving, or Driving at a speed that was not "Reasonable and Prudent" so pay your money and take your choice.

8 posted on 04/18/2002 6:51:22 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: zandtar
"hypocrates like Neil Boortz "

Hypocrates originated the physician's oath "First, do no harm....".

If you meant to say that Neil Boortz is a hypocrite, I would beg to differ with you.
I'm guessing that you and he may differ on something and you're letting it 'get to you'.

9 posted on 04/18/2002 7:36:54 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: zandtar
You know, One child molester kills a girl and now the nation has "Megans Law", I wonder why the same logic does'nt apply here.
11 posted on 04/18/2002 9:44:44 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc
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To: The Grammar Police
For example, the last four digits or so of a credit card are computed from the previous digits.

Not quite true. While things may vary somewhat with different types of cards, the normal format is, or used to be, IIRC, a twelve-digit account number (of which the first few digits indicate the issuer and the latter digits indicate the account), followed by three random digits, followed by a check digit. While there was a time when there were no random digits, having the card number consist only of the account number plus check digits allowed anyone who knew the check-digit algorithm to "guess" at valid account numbers.

There are, btw, a number of check-digit algorithms. One common method is to simply sum all the digits mod 10 or some other base. This is done (mod 16) on magstripe cards; they contain an unprinted check digit following the end-of-record indicator [it's unfortunate that they put it there, actually, since it makes reverse reading of cards much more difficult than it would be otherwise]. This method will detect any single-digit error, but will not detect any transposition errors.

To detect transposition errors, some schemes (I think credit cards do this, but I forget the details) multiply different digits by different amounts before summing them. For the scheme to still detect all single-bit errors, all multipliers must be relatively prime to the modulus. Detection of transposition of two digit positions requires that the difference between their multipliers also be relatively prime relative to the modulus.

Unfortunately, there is no way to meet both of those requirements in reasonable fashion with a base-10 checksum. The ISBN code gets around this limitation by using a base-11 checksum. That one is computed as (first+2*second+3*third+4*fourth...+10*tenth) mod 11. If the result is "10", it's printed as "X". Because 11 is prime relative to all multipliers or differences between them, and because all multipliers are unique, an ISBN code checksum will fail if any two digits--consecutive or not--are transposed.

12 posted on 04/18/2002 8:56:12 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Wil H
That may be so but in admitting the above you have just got yourself a charge of Failure to control a vehicle, Reckless driving, or Driving at a speed that was not "Reasonable and Prudent" so pay your money and take your choice.

Depends whether your situation was a foreseeable consequence of your earlier actions. If, e.g., you decided to push the light because another motorist was approaching very fast and you weren't certain of whether he would be able to avoid hitting you, your predicament would not be your fault since you cannot control his car; although any collision which might result from your stopping would be his 'fault', you still have a duty to prevent accidents.

One unfortunate feature of these red light scameras, BTW, is that they may encourage more dangerous behavior at intersections than would their absense. If one is being tailgated as one approaches a light that turns yellow, the prudent thing to do is to begin slowing down and observe both the tailgater and the cross traffic. If the tailgater does not quickly begin to slow down but there is no approaching car on the crossroad, then prudence may require accellerating through the intersection. Unfortunately, this most-prudent course of action is the one most likely to yield a scamera citation.

13 posted on 04/18/2002 9:04:07 PM PDT by supercat
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To: zandtar
My guess is that the clerk really has not been given enough authority to make the call. This would be unlikely to happen in Germany, where they give the cop what amounts to judicial authority.
14 posted on 04/18/2002 9:07:29 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: supercat
The basic problem is that so many peoiple really don't know how to drive.
15 posted on 04/18/2002 9:08:35 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
The basic problem is that so many peoiple really don't know how to drive.

In some cases, that's true. But oftentimes, people are more prudent than the government would like. Things like speeding enforcement are often focused on places where the posted speed is well below the maximum safe speed, as opposed to places where it isn't, because most drivers realize that in the latter places the physical hazards of exceeding the speed limits are worse than the lost time resulting from obeying them. Thus, not enough people speed in the latter places to make ticketing efforts financially worthwhile, despite the danger posed to society by the few people who do speed there. By contrast, straight highways with unobstructed views constitute a goldmine for speed enforcement even when (especially when), absent such enforcement, a motorist could travel 25mph or more over the posted speed in perfect safety.

16 posted on 04/18/2002 10:26:35 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
Of course, it is true that many jurisdictions set up speed traps because their primary concern is revenue rather than safety. Against this political brigandry, like other forms of unjust taxation, there is no defence.
17 posted on 04/18/2002 10:47:31 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: zandtar
Or when hypocrates like Neil Boortz start pushing for such things.

What a buffoon Boortz is, saying we ought to send tickets to the wrong people. It would be more efficient to send them to the right ones.

BTW, what's a hypocrate?

18 posted on 04/18/2002 11:00:12 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa
BTW, what's a hypocrate?

It's a hypocrite that is typed without coffee. 8)

19 posted on 04/19/2002 3:38:57 AM PDT by zandtar
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