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Navy draws criticism over beating deaths of deer on base
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 18 April 2001 | SCOTT HARPER

Posted on 04/18/2002 4:40:48 AM PDT by csvset

Navy draws criticism over beating deaths of deer on base
By SCOTT HARPER, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 18, 2002

VIRGINIA BEACH -- Animal-rights activists and wildlife rescuers are criticizing the Navy over an incident this month at Oceana Naval Air Station, where staff destroyed two badly injured deer by beating them with a shovel and cutting their throats.

The Navy is defending the actions of two base workers, saying they used ``the best available, immediate means to end these animals' suffering at that particular time and place,'' Capt. C.A. Silvers, Oceana's commanding officer, said in a letter to one animal group.

``While it is unfortunate that this incident occurred, it was handled safely and appropriately,'' Silvers wrote in his April 8 letter.

Several local wildlife rehabilitators were stunned to learn of the episode, calling it inhumane, contrary to accepted euthanasia practices and possibly illegal.

One group is pressing the Navy to develop humane procedures for responding to injured animals discovered on the sprawling air base in Virginia Beach, and to equip its outdoor specialists with tranquilizing guns and other equipment.

The event also adds another chapter to a long-running national debate over when and how to humanely euthanize wounded wildlife in the field, where sophisticated drugs and devices often are not available.

``It is possible to stun an animal to allow the (throat-cutting), but a shovel is never an accepted implement,'' said Edward E. Clark Jr., president of the Wildlife Center of Virginia.

``I would not condemn the people involved for doing the best they could,'' Clark added. ``But I would certainly encourage them, and their colleagues, to learn from this experience and learn how to properly -- and humanely -- euthanize an animal.''

According to Navy officials and eyewitnesses, three deer ran across an Oceana airfield and struck a fence near a hangar and parking lot about 1 p.m. on April 1. One died immediately. Two others were mortally wounded, writhing on the ground in pain.

A local wildlife rescuer was called, as were a Navy conservation officer and a natural resources specialist. Before the rehabilitator arrived, the two staffers decided to euthanize the injured deer on the spot.

But they chose not to use a firearm in their possession ``due to the number and proximity of persons nearby, and for other reasons of safety,'' according to Silvers.

Instead, the workers retrieved what eyewitnesses described as a shovel -- the Navy would only say that the two used ``blunt force'' -- and beat the deer unconscious before cutting their throats with a knife to ensure death.

Attempts to obtain additional information about the incident, the workers involved and their training were unsuccessful this week, despite repeated phone calls to the Oceana public affairs office.

Oceana spokesman Troy Snead said Tuesday that he had not heard of the case but was ``sure nothing was done wrong.''

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an international animal-rights group based in Norfolk, brought the episode to light after being contacted by several eyewitnesses who were upset by how the workers handled the situation and how the deer were put to rest.

PETA is especially concerned that the two employees used a shovel and a knife to destroy the deer, arguing that such actions do not constitute euthanasia and might be construed as animal cruelty, a criminal offense.

Stephanie Boyles, a PETA biologist and investigator, said the group would not have had a problem if the workers had fired their weapons at close range into the deer -- a view shared by several wildlife rehabilitators and experts.

``It sounds very odd, very unusual, for them to resort to such force,'' said Diana Krell, a humane educator for the Norfolk Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. ``They have guns, don't they? That's easily the better way to go.''

State game wardens are trained to euthanize a mortally wounded wild animal with a close-range gunshot. If safety is a concern, the wardens would likely cover the animal with a sheet or blanket and move it to a more appropriate place for firing a weapon, said Col. Jeff Uerz, chief of law enforcement and administration with the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries.

Uerz said such protocol is spelled out in a lesson plan, modeled after one by the American Veterinary Medical Association, that each warden receives during formal training.

PETA has asked the Navy to adopt similar standards and training for its wildlife personnel. The Navy so far has not responded to the request.

In his letter to PETA, Silvers said Oceana staffers occasionally are required to destroy deer that pose safety risks to aircraft. Mortal injury to deer near aircraft facilities, as on April 1, ``is a proper reason for the type of expeditious action taken in this case.''

If circumstances were different, he wrote, ``other methods may have been used.''

Reach Scott Harper at 446-2340 or sharper@pilotonline.com


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: civilservants; deer; peta
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But they chose not to use a firearm in their possession ``due to the number and proximity of persons nearby, and for other reasons of safety,'' according to Silvers.

"Cletus, you hold 'em, I'll shoot 'em."

Some the civil service folks are that bright.

1 posted on 04/18/2002 4:40:49 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
PETA is a religious cult. They can believe what they want to about animals, but I do not believe in the cult of PETA.

Ok, let's see, I guess it would have been better to overpopulate the deer herds instead of manage them- that way we'd see more deer lurch into the road, get their legs sheered off, walk around on stumps, bleeding in pain, then PETA would be happy.

Or how about this.. if PETA was really serious about animals rights, they'd be asking for all Wolves, Mountain Lions, bobcats, bears, etc. to be stopped from killing not just each other, but deer and so forth.

If PETA wants to make believe that humans have not been or never were predators- which is not even on the radar screen of evolutionary record in the least- all meat eaters, including man, have evolved with foward looking eyes, while the prey has eyes on the side of their head. It's pretty much that simple.

Sure, a grizzly bear can live on shrubs alone, but it doesn't. A coyote eats berries just like humans do. Mountain Lions eat a specific type of vegetation. Point being so do humans.

PETA wants to alter reality- they're living in a pipe dream world which they have turned into a cult.

I'll take the most natural source of protein I can get- my elk and deer meet thank you very much.

I suppose these fellows were supposed to call in a predator to torture the deer to death. What a crock PETA is.

2 posted on 04/18/2002 4:49:15 AM PDT by GotDangGenius
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To: GotDangGenius
I agree. PETA is an extremist terrorist organization (they fund the ALF terrorists). As such, they should not be consulted by normal people, nor should they be interviewed by reporters as some kind of animal experts.
3 posted on 04/18/2002 5:08:40 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Unfortunately, PETA's world headquarters are located in Norfolk, VA. , which is the next city over from Virginia Beach, the home of NAS Oceana. A local radio station has PETA's head honcho on it's morning talk show on a fairly regular basis.

That aside, I don't understand why the wretched animals weren't shot.

4 posted on 04/18/2002 5:17:25 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
It is manifestly evident that the deer's Constitutional rights were violated. Moreover, this could be construed as a 'hate' crime! :~)
5 posted on 04/18/2002 5:22:08 AM PDT by verity
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To: csvset
"That aside, I don't understand why the wretched animals weren't shot"
The reason has to do with the fact that being in the military, the firearms that they were carrying were most likely loaded with ball ammo. Ball would have hardley slowed down going through the animals, thus endangering any personel and equipment that happened to be close by. Also can you imagine the reports that they would have had to fill out over the discharge of ther firearms!!! A quick hard whack on the back of the head followed by a sharp knife drawn across the throat would have killed the animals humanely in a few seconds. I doubt that they had to repeatedly whack the animals with the shovel!! I'm sure it looked much worse than it really was!!
6 posted on 04/18/2002 6:33:06 AM PDT by ghostcat
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To: csvset
Would they also have drawn criticism if they had beat the animal wacko's over the head with a shovel?
7 posted on 04/18/2002 6:35:05 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Piquaboy
No, but they would have drawn praise from smart people for helping make the planet a safer place. The liberal,lamestream media, would have portrayed us as an "ugly American" who used brute force...or some such garbage line that has been recycled time and again. The PC "thought police" need to be corrected, and often. they can't think for theirselves, so when we force the lamestream to wake up, then we stand a chance of educating them.
8 posted on 04/18/2002 6:46:31 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: GotDangGenius
GotDangGenius

You totally nailed it there, buddy! The PETAnoids use fanatically distorted ethics and biology to promote themselves. Animals will kill, exploit, and occasionally, TORTURE each other - they are not instinctually "better than us."

The foward (stereo depth-perceiving) vision is a good point you brought up. They also want to dismiss that humans have canine teeth ("but they are small"). Another myth they promote is that we have relatively long, herbivore digestive tract (like a cow)instead of a short, carnivore tract (like a cat). In fact, we have a medium, OMNIVORE tract. It's that simple.

But still, it can be fun to read how irrational and emotional some of their tirades can get.

9 posted on 04/18/2002 7:15:36 AM PDT by pollwatcher
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To: csvset
Had to put down my girlfriend's kitten after it was mauled by a dog (22 years ago- no money for vet, cat was partially disembowelled) Used a shovel- it was instantaneous.

Not a lot of fun, but it had to be done.

Question for hunters & shooters- couple of years back, a full grown bull got loose in north houston- running around through parking lots, trying to gore cars, posing a threat to people (nobody actually injured)

What do you do if you happen to have a rifle in your truck, and you see this? On the one hand, it would seem logical to kill the animal before it killed a human, or got maimed in traffic. On the other hand, what are the legal ramifications? Would you do it if there were TV cameras present? Do you offer your rifle to a police officer, and let him/her take the shot? My gut instinct is to let well enough alone unless I think the animal is posing an *immediate* threat to a human.

Thoughts?

10 posted on 04/18/2002 7:27:36 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: csvset
A writhing injured animal is very dangerous, and very hard to shoot. A shovel to the head is a good idea. Stun it. And you can't be sure a shot deer is dead. Slitting the throat is an excellent idea. Lots of people have been surprised to find that a deer they shot or hit with a car has come to and attacked.

No matter if we're POSITIVE a deer is dead, we slit the throat.

PETA doesn't know, once again, what it's talking about.

11 posted on 04/18/2002 8:18:33 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: ghostcat
Roger that. U.S. military is prohibited from using hollow-points. A 9mm ball would likley penetrate the deer, exit out the other side, and possibly continue a quarter-mile or so.

There's a lot of folks around Oceana so human safety was likely a valid concern.

12 posted on 04/18/2002 8:23:53 AM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: Jonah Hex;Judith Anne, Ghostcat
I may have been too hasty in my critisism. They did what was expedient.

I suspect the real problem was this..

brought the episode to light after being contacted by several eyewitnesses who were upset by how the workers handled the situation and how the deer were put to rest.

Gawkers who didn't have anything better to do.

13 posted on 04/18/2002 8:51:00 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Judith Anne
If this was a naval air station, the deer probably hit a fence that was up against a concrete pad. So the deer would wind up falling on the concrete surface. You shoot a deer lying on a concrete pad with a 9mm with solid ammunition, and it's anybody's guess where that bullet is going to go. Never mind the bystanders, you could shoot yourself in the foot.

A few years back we had a deer hit by a car at work. The poor pathetic thing hid in the woods for three days, till finally he was found. We called our local Police Department, who dispatched two officers. Officer #1 stands over the deer, who was pretty immobile at this point, and shoots at him four (4) times, without killing him. Officer #2 steps in and finishes him off with only three (3) more shots.

If it can take as many as seven shots to put down a deer (I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself), can you imagine seven shots ricocheting of that concrete? It wouldn't be a question of if somebody was hit, it would be a question of who was going to be hit, and how many times.

14 posted on 04/18/2002 9:03:47 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: csvset
Yes, I agree. Gawkers with an agenda against the military, most likely.
15 posted on 04/18/2002 9:30:35 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: gridlock
along the same lines..many people are killed or injured each year in auto accidents when they swerve to avoid deer in the road, especialy when one jumps out in front of your car at night......the best advice is don't slam on the brakes, don't swerve..just keep going right at the deer...
16 posted on 04/18/2002 11:12:55 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: csvset
Around here, you are not allowed to finish-off (kill) a deer you hit with your car. You must call a deputy and let him do it. You have to let the animal lay there in pain suffering until the deputy arrives. Go figure.
17 posted on 04/18/2002 11:18:23 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: ken5050
Hey, hit the brakes. Don't lock 'em up, but you can at least slow down to minimize the impact. But swerving is a suckers move. Chances are good that you'll still get hit, and swerving can point you at a tree, or something more solid than a deer.
18 posted on 04/18/2002 11:31:22 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: csvset
Oh... I thought it said beer. Beating beer to death would be a crime.
19 posted on 04/18/2002 11:33:54 AM PDT by aomagrat
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To: all
Yum deer.. the other white meat.
20 posted on 04/18/2002 12:52:28 PM PDT by devildogO341
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