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(PROPOSED NYS LAW) HOMES WITH TRUSSES (MUST PLACE) SIGN NEAR DOOR
Finger Lakes Today ^ | 3/15/02 -

Posted on 03/16/2002 4:49:29 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

(Syracuse-AP) -- State Senator Nancy Larraine Hoffmann is sponsoring a bill to require a sign near the front door of every home built with trusses, so firefighters can take precautions.

Fire officials say wooden floor trusses burn faster than solid joists.

They say that's what led to the floor collapse that killed two central New York firemen last week.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: governmentregs
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Gee, while we're at it, let's post the floor plans too.

I'm all for protecting firemen, but do we really need another government regulation, in NY or elsewhere?

1 posted on 03/16/2002 4:49:29 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I feel safer already.
2 posted on 03/16/2002 4:53:53 PM PST by Drango
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I suppose the sign should be made from asbestos so it doesn't burn up before they get there.
3 posted on 03/16/2002 4:57:53 PM PST by michigander
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And what happens when you don't KNOW what kind of truss your home has?

Do the truss police show up, inspect your home and slap the sign on? Or do you have to hire a home inspector and take the day off to find out? And what if you don't have the sign up? Do the truss police send you to prison, are you sued civilly for any injuries or can you be found guilty of criminally negligent homocide if a fireman dies in your home and your sign wasn't there?

This is the kind of nonsense one gets when our elected officials make so much money and spend so much time in apartments at the capitol: they forget what its like to be a middle class homeowner.

4 posted on 03/16/2002 5:01:51 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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I'm all for protecting firemen, but do we really need another government regulation, in NY or elsewhere?

New York runs on regulations and licenses. I never saw the like of it. What a place.

5 posted on 03/16/2002 5:19:42 PM PST by toddst
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What would really be more of a help to the firemen would be for this info be included in the dispatch info. The 911 data base that most comunities use (tho not all areas use 911) can tell you the nearest cross streets, the hydrants in the area, and I'm sure lots more info.

The only thing this proposed law would really do is make money for the sign makers...

6 posted on 03/16/2002 5:21:54 PM PST by The Chief
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Fire officials say wooden floor trusses burn faster than solid joists.

This is a joke. Buildings are designed to meet fire ratings which are calculated by the amount of protective covering (plaster, sheet rock, ...) on the structural components, by the type of structural materials, by numbers of expected occupants, by numbers of stories, and by firefighter acessibility around the building. The many types of building materials and assemblies (different ways to put materials together) are tested and evaluated to national standards. A system has to meet a performanced standard. So a truss system has to be protected to last as long as a joist system.

The real problem are the changes that homeowners make sometimes unknownly when renovating their property without complying with building codes. I have seen properties where homeowners have removed load bearing walls and god only knows what still holds up the floor.

The above law will not save any lives.

7 posted on 03/16/2002 5:43:11 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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Actually I'm not for any more silly laws, the fact is that truss construction does not burn any faster then stick type construction, it fails faster as a structural element. I'm on a small suburban paid on call fire department. We make sure we know which structures are truss style construction and take precautions as called for.
8 posted on 03/16/2002 6:26:38 PM PST by UB355
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Too bad they're not making them paint a red 'A' on Bill and Hill's Chappaqua home.
9 posted on 03/16/2002 6:30:50 PM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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Sign near my door:   In God We Truss.
10 posted on 03/16/2002 6:57:08 PM PST by jigsaw
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LOL....good ONE! "In God We Truss".......still LOLLING!!!
11 posted on 03/16/2002 7:16:12 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Why don't they just put that info on your National ID card ?
12 posted on 03/16/2002 8:20:22 PM PST by stylin19a
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The fact is all they need to do is adopt the UBC as their local code. The Universal Building Codes (UBC) already covers that. The requirements for (residential) draft stops (fire blocks) is (I think) every ten feet horizontal or vertical....in otherwords if you have a truss floor system, according to UBC you must have a draft stop (fire block) every ten feet in any direction,(floors or walls) including sealing off any penetrations of the draft stop(s) such as plumbing and, or wiring, thereby restricting any fire to a confined area, rather than having a draft creating a blow torch/chimney effect....

Draft (fire storm) is the only reason a truss system would burn faster than solid joists.....

13 posted on 03/16/2002 8:22:06 PM PST by lewislynn
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or can you be found guilty of criminally negligent homocide if a fireman dies in your home and your sign wasn't there?

With the overly hyped, elevated status of a "fireman" at this time the punisment could be even worse than you descricbe....it could be a hate crime.

14 posted on 03/16/2002 8:26:30 PM PST by lewislynn
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fact is that truss construction does not burn any faster then stick type construction, it fails faster as a structural element.

Structural systems are tested in laboratories subjected to standards. With floors, a system has to carry a specified weight for a specified time. The result is for example, a one hour rated floor has to pass all the requirements for a one hour floor no matter what it is made of. If what you mean by "failing faster as a structural element" that the truss system does not carry the weight as long as a joist system, then the two are not equvalent. This is a misapplication in the testing or design but not a fault of using trusses. Manufactures design their systems to the bone so their system just passes the test. If trusses are failing faster than equivalently rated floors then the fault is where -- in the testing where someone cheated, lack of enforcement by building inspectors to see that properly rated floors are built for the right circustances, or the way builders apply the system not installing them using materials and details assumed in the test? Passing a law to tell the fire department to expect buldings to be labeled for their safety does not correct any of the other possible problems.

I have not heard of any firefighter deaths in Massachusetts from truss floors. The last major disaster with firefighters dying was in Worcester where three pairs of firefighters went into a burning abandoned, warehouse one pair after another to save two vagrants who actually were not in the building. To me, it would make more sense to pass a law to prevent firefighters from going into burning buildings to rescue vagrants in abandoned buildings. They should concentrate on containing the fire so it doesn't spread to the rest of the city. I'm sure the usual rabble would scream racism, classism, and the like throwing common sense out the window. That's what really irks me about the New York example.

15 posted on 03/16/2002 9:07:46 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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State Senator Nancy Larraine Hoffmann is sponsoring a bill to require a sign near the front door of every home built with trusses,

How large does the lettering have to be? And what if the house burns at night and the sign can't been seen in the dark? Shall we have another law that says the signs have to be lit? And what if the sign burns up before the fire department gets there? Is that an additional offense against the homeowner?

16 posted on 03/16/2002 9:28:52 PM PST by WillaJohns
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Another liberal idiot.
17 posted on 03/16/2002 9:45:27 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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My sign would be: "Sh*t Happens!"
18 posted on 03/16/2002 9:45:51 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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Too bad they're not making them paint a red 'A' on Bill and Hill's Chappaqua home. 9 posted on 3/16/02 7:30 PM Pacific by TrappedInLiberalHell [

Now there is a good idea!!

19 posted on 03/16/2002 9:52:19 PM PST by timestax
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(A little humor about a serious subject.)

20 posted on 03/16/2002 10:23:06 PM PST by Consort
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