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WCCA alert: Doyle/Baumgart bill gets worse (>99% banned)
Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association ^ | 23JAN02 | Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton)

Posted on 01/24/2002 6:32:50 AM PST by gnarledmaw

January 23, 2002

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
For more information, contact: Dave Zien, (608) 266-7511

Baumgart, Doyle Gun Ban Gets Worse
15 of 19 Sponsors Remove Names from Bill

An analysis released today by the non-partisan Legislative Council confirms an analysis released last week by Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton) and goes even further. Zien found a hidden provision in the Baumgart/Doyle "anti-terrorism" bill that would ban ammunition for over 99% of all firearms used by Wisconsin hunters. The Legislative Council analysis found the bill goes beyond banning ammunition to ban all firearms.

The Attorney General, whose Department of Justice attorneys prepared the provisions of the bill, admitted to the ban on ammunition when it was found. He and Baumgart have said they would eliminate the ammunition ban. Now that the firearms ban has been discovered, the question is whether they will also eliminate this hidden ban.

"At some point you have to stop trusting a guy who only admits to things he has been caught at," said Zien. "How many other restrictions on constitutional rights are they aware of in this bill?"

The Legislative Council attorney found the definitions of "explosives" and "destructive devices" in the bill could ban all firearms for private citizens, in addition to the ammunition. Even if Doyle and Baumgart keep their commitment to exempt "ammunition" from the ban, "firearms" would still be banned by the same provision.

According to the Legislative Council memo to Zien: This language could include gunpowder or a firearm because either might be considered an item "intended to produce an explosion capable of causing substantial bodily harm, death or property damage." Similarly, the term "destructive device" may include a device (a firearm) that contains an explosive (gunpowder) that is designed or configured to cause substantial bodily harm, death, or property damage...

Zien went on to commend the legislators who withdrew their support for the bill when the gun and ammunition bans came to light. "No one can be blamed for trusting another elected official to be honest about the intent of their bill. With over 1,500 bills introduced each session, we have to trust one another," said Zien. "It takes true courage to stand up and speak out when the truth is known."

"The gun owners and sportsmen and women of Wisconsin owe our thanks to the Bold 15 who stood up for our rights and committed to help stop this legislation," said Zien. "I have never seen a bill lose ¾ of it's cosponsors for any reason, until today."

Legislators standing up for gun owners by withdrawing their support and committing to kill Doyle's secret bans are: Senators Roessler and Darling and Representatives Petrowski, Freese, Hines, Ladwig, Dan Meyer, Hahn, Jeskewitz, Lippert, Musser, Olsen, Owens, Vrakas and Ott. These withdrawals leave the author, Senator Baumgart, as the only Senate sponsor of Senate Bill 363. Remaining Assembly sponsors have committed to attempting to fix the bill to protect lawful gun ownership and use. Following are key provisions of the ban language as proposed by Baumgart/Doyle in Senate Bill 363 [Comments in brackets added]:

947.07 (1) (c) "Destructive device" means an overpressure device, or a device that contains an explosive or an incendiary and is designed or configured to cause substantial bodily harm, death, or property damage, including any of the following devices:

947.07 (1) (d) "Detonator" means a device containing an exploding charge used to initiate detonation in an explosive or a destructive device, or any device capable of initiating or setting off an explosive charge including, but not limited to, an impact device, a timing mechanism, a primer, primer or detonating cord, a detonating cap, detonating waves, electric blasting caps, blasting caps for use with safety fuses, a shock tube initiator, or detonating cord delay connectors. [A "primer" is the ignition device that sets off every bullet or shotgun shell.]

947.07 (1) (f) "Explosive" means any chemical compound, other substance, or mechanical system that is intended to produce an explosion capable of causing substantial bodily harm, death, or property damage, including such a compound, substance, or system that contains oxidizing and combustible units in proportions or quantities that ignition, fire, friction, concussion, percussion, or detonation may produce an explosion; including, but not limited to, items on the list of explosive materials published pursuant to 18 USC 841 (d) and 27 CFR 55.23.

947.07 (2) (a) Whoever manufactures, buys, sells, offers to sell, transfers, distributes or possesses an explosive or a destructive device is guilty of a class C felony. [Class C Felony = Up to 15 year sentence.]

947.07 (3) (a) Whoever uses an explosive or a destructive device is guilty of a Class B felony. [Class B Felony = Up to 60 year sentence]

947.07 (7) (c) Ammunition for firearms or components for ammunition for firearms that are designed to shoot no more than one shot without manual reloading. [This is the only firearms related exception to the above restrictions. Attorneys agree, the exception would not apply to any gun that can be loaded with more than one bullet or shell.]

947.07 (8) Evidence. A photograph, electronic image, videotape, or other identifying evidence of an explosive, destructive device, detonator, or weapon of mass destruction that is properly authenticated as provided under ch. 909 is admissible as evidence in lieu of the actual explosive, destructive device, detonator, or weapon of mass destruction in any action or proceeding concerning an explosive, destructive device, detonator, or weapon of mass destruction.

Gun Ban SB 363 Sponsors Off.pdf


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Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban

WCCA legislative alert: Doyle's anti-terrorism bill bans guns

1 posted on 01/24/2002 6:32:51 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
bttt
2 posted on 01/24/2002 6:33:25 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: bang_list
bang!
3 posted on 01/24/2002 6:33:30 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Commo tools, and info, here:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

4 posted on 01/24/2002 6:37:56 AM PST by backhoe
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To: 007;80sReaganite;afraidfortherepublic;american_ranger;An American In Dairyland;angelo;Angus_Day...
Doyle and Baumgart have cells waiting for you...
5 posted on 01/24/2002 6:50:42 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
as they say in southern russia..."bumpski y'all"
6 posted on 01/24/2002 6:55:33 AM PST by gorush
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To: gnarledmaw
By their definition of explosive, wouldn't gasoline count?
7 posted on 01/24/2002 7:05:19 AM PST by Aiden
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To: gnarledmaw
As I have said, the anti-gunners know this has no chance of succeeding. I'll bet the legislators who introduced this bill are either not up for re-election or in a district full of DemoNAZIS who would vote for Satan himself if he ran.

The other anti-gunners will all come out and proclaim their opposition to this bill in an effort to make gun owners think that they are really not anti-gunners.

They will then water down the bill by banning only certain weapons such as .50 cal "sniper rifles". After all, who NEEDS a gun that can take out a tank (or a dirty politician) at more than a mile away?

The gun owners will lose a bit more and the NRA will proclaim that this was a victory and they actually support the new law.

8 posted on 01/24/2002 7:17:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Aiden
It seems to to this layman. "Detonator" seems to me to include the airbag triggers in new cars also just like Clintons anti-terrorism bill did. That would mean that anyone with airbags in their car and a bottle of vinegar in their cupboard would be terrorists (well, I guess we already are under federal law).
9 posted on 01/24/2002 7:24:56 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the airbag triggers. And of course anyone possessing or distributing said materials is guilty. Such as manufacturers of airbags/cars and owners of gasoline stations? Or any form of fuel which is nothing more than an oxidizing substance to cause consussion or percussion. How about my propane tank on my grill, now that cause definitely cause "bodily harm"...
10 posted on 01/24/2002 7:52:56 AM PST by Aiden
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To: gnarledmaw
"Doyle and Baumgart have cells waiting for you..."

Those guys are dense. It eludes me why they would waste other people's money on cells to house my skinny butt.

What part of, "Live free or die", is so hard for them to grasp?

11 posted on 01/24/2002 7:56:11 AM PST by spunkets
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To: gnarledmaw
Bump- bring it on Doyle and Baumgart!
12 posted on 01/24/2002 11:36:41 AM PST by mafree
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To: gnarledmaw
With over 1,500 bills introduced each session...

Uhhhh, anybody think this is part of the problem?

13 posted on 01/24/2002 12:22:23 PM PST by pa_dweller
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With over 1,500 bills introduced each session... Uhhhh, anybody think this is part of the problem?

Damned straight! I think we stopped needing new laws 'round about 1795 or so. Of course, if the politicos stopped making laws it'd be obvious to the sheeple how utterly useless they are. Feh, they disgust me.
14 posted on 01/24/2002 12:37:20 PM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: pa_dweller
I loved Jesse Ventura's proposal about sunsetting an existing law in order to impliment a new piece of legislation.

At 50 states, times 1,500 avg. state bills, that comes to 75,000 bills at only the state level each year. Add our friends in Washington, and god help us all. Scrap the whole mess, and start anew. Of course only after sending each politician to somalia with $2.00, a one way ticket, and a few thousand condoms with gaping holes in them.

16 posted on 01/24/2002 1:48:25 PM PST by blackdog
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...Jesse Ventura's proposal about sunsetting an existing law in order to impliment a new piece of legislation

I hadn't heard of that. I like it!

17 posted on 01/24/2002 2:14:14 PM PST by pa_dweller
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To: Angus_Day
Well, stock up on ammo. It may become more valuable than the guns themselves.
18 posted on 01/24/2002 6:47:51 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Blood of Tyrants
WRONG!!! NOT all the co-sponsors are from DemoNazi districts!!! My very own moron Rep. Frank Urban (R., 99th) who is an MD, co-sponsored from the Assembly.

Goes to show that you don't need intelligence to become a doctor.

He is married to the Mayorette of Brookfield, not a bad Nazi in her own right. She announced her retirement, thank God. Perhaps Franky--poo will announce, also, relieving ElmBrook of TWO elected bozos.

20 posted on 01/25/2002 4:41:36 PM PST by ninenot
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