Posted on 01/23/2002 4:14:28 AM PST by TroutStalker
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Joe Leigh Simpson, chairman of obstetrics and gynecology at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, is a church-going Presbyterian.
But thanks to a few conferences he attended back in the 1980s, he is known in parts of the Muslim world as a champion of the doctrine that the Quran, Islam's holy book, is historically and scientifically correct in every detail. Dr. Simpson now says he made some comments that sound "silly and embarrassing" taken out of context, but no matter: Mideast television shows, Muslim books and Web sites still quote him as saying the Quran must have been "derived from God," because it foresaw modern discoveries in embryology and genetics.
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No dust. Dust is a product of stellar evolution. Thesis rejected.
Next?
Honestly, it's about time this discussion began. It's long past time to do a compare and contrast among the various Literalists.
Koran-concentric Studies dept in the colleges next?
That sounds about right. I gotta point out, though, that one could say the same thing about Christians' protestations that the Bible is completely correct as a science book too. Ever since the Enlightenment, fundamentalists have been fighting a rear-guard action with their God of the Gaps arguments against "godless science".
As for western scientists being duped into making quotes that Islamic evangelists can take out of context & make their own: There are also western Christian groups (mainly the ICR) that have been knowingly helping push young-earth creationism in the Muslim world.
Says Zaghloul El-Naggar, an Egyptian geologist who touts the doctrine on a popular weekly television program shown in the Arab world: "One of the main convincing evidences to people to accept Islam is the large number of scientific facts in the Quran."
Someone ought to tell that guy there's an even larger number of scientific facts in science texts.
Yeah, but do science books promise a young man 72 virgins when he gets to the Hereafter?
In the US, you can have them now! Why wait?
Uh-huh; where exactly in the US do you propose to find 72 virgins over the age of 18 who aren't so ugly they'd scare a buzzard off a manure spreader?
They only gave the opposition one tiny paragraph. Could you imagine a major newspaper doing an article on fundamentalist creationists without giving a evolutionary biologist more than three words?
I don't recall any religious scribe publishing a paper describing objects with event horizons that don't let anything escape thair gravitational grasp (i.e., Black Holes) prior to Schwarzchild. I don't recall any biblical or Koran scholar publishing a paper on Quantum Mechanics before Planck. And I don't remember any clergymen giving extemporaneous sermons on Relativity, the constancy of the speed of light, Gravitational lensing, discovery of galaxies, the expansion of the Universe, or Big Bang Cosmology from their pulpits in the 1800's.
If religious tracts contain scientific prophecy, the religious scholars should have a leg up on everyone else, including the scientists, on what is about to be discovered. Strange that they are so silent before the discoveries are made by science, but so quick to proclaim it prophetic.... post hoc, of course.
LOL!! Ask the iman. There must be some kind of scientific explanation also for the lack of jealously the earthly wife will have for the hoors (whores?)http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=1165
The Quran mentions that men will have female companions who are not from the line of Adam, what will there be for Earthly women?
In Jannat there are many types of bounties and rewards. Additionally, one should bear in mind that Allah Ta'ala has promised different bounties in Paradise for different categories of people as well as for different deeds. This ayah outwardly addresses the males of this ummah and promises them Hoors in the Hereafter. Consequently, a Muslima will not be adversely affected when her pious husband is endowed with a Hoor. It is explicitly mentioned in the Holy Qura'n that :
a) Allah Ta'ala shall remove from the hearts and minds of the inmates of Paradise any rancour, malice, jealousy or sense of injury. [See 15:47]
b) The Believing wife and children will be joined with their Believing husband/ father in Paradise. [See 52:21]
From the above one can safely conclude that a Muslima will not be deprived of her husband's company in paradise.
Further it is mentioned in a lengthy Hadith that Rasulullah Sallallaahu-alaihi-wasallam was asked a similar question one day by one of his wives. He consoled her by explaining that the believing woman of this world will be far more beautiful and attractive than the Hoors. This will be due to the excessive ibaadah that they (the woman of this world) had performed.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Salman Rushdie, Blame YourselfSo maybe the critics of this "scientific Quranism" are the real extremists... who knows...By S. NOMANUL HAQ
AMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Dear Salman Rushdie, A few years ago, when I read your ''Midnight's Children,'' I was overwhelmed. It was not the exuberance of your narrative and stylistic craft, nor the threads of your rich imagination woven with such effective intellectual control that engulfed me. Rather, it was your formidable grasp of history and, through that, of the psyche of a complex culture in all its variations that formed the substratum of your tale.
And yet it is this question of your knowledge of history that I shall raise in connection with your seriously and alarmingly controversial ''The Satanic Verses.''
Let me say at once that I do hold you as an artist, not as a historian or a psychologist - nor, indeed, as a theologian. But, at the same time, you do make use of what are facts of history and psychology, giving them your own distinct treatment.
No writer, you will agree, writes in a historical vacuum. But then, a responsible artist does not, without powerful grounds, mutilate history. Nor, unless there exists a mammoth justification, does he disregard the sensibilities and sensitivities of his own milieu, especially when it forms both the subject matter and the bulk of his or her audience.
Strangely, what I am saying is something that I learned from none other than yourself. You might recall your telling criticism of Sir Richard Attenborough's celebrated film ''Gandhi.'' You enraged Sir Richard, but in the controversy I remained your passionate supporter.
You censured the film for disregarding or minimizing certain important historical facts. And you said that in a work of an artistic nature, one cannot say everything, that there has to be a choice - but that there has to be a rationale of choice. One selects not to mislead but to make the story more meaningful. Ironically, this has precisely been your lapse in the ''The Satanic Verses.''
Most of your Western audience are unable to gauge the acuteness of your blow to the very core of the Indian subcontinental culture. They cannot estimate the seriousness of the injury because they do not know the history of the aggrieved.
You do know it and therefore one feels that you foresaw, at least to some extent, the consequences.
There is in your book, for example, the phantasmagoria of your own namesake Salman's corruption of the revealed word by his erroneous rendering of the words of Mahound.
Here the veil is too thin to cover the identity of Mahound: he can be understood in no other way than as a caricature of the Muslim Prophet. You do know that Islam is consistently, acutely and uniquely sensitive to its scripture. Ordinarily, Arabic is written without short vowels, but no copy of the Koran today is vowelless: Muslims insist that it should and can be read only in one way. The Muslim view is that even incorrectly reading the Koran is a cardinal sin. The Koran is neither read nor recited in translation for the very reason that translation might introduce alteration.
This matter is deadly serious and to make it a subject of insensitive fantasy is equally serious.
There is a further issue that your Western reader does not sense: that your corrupt Salman is the namesake not only of you in your book but of a historical personage who was a Persian companion of the Prophet, a companion who has been accorded a particularly elevated status by the Shiites. Given the militancy of the Shiites, when you made Salman the polluter of the revelation, you knew that you were planting your hand in the cluster of bees!
Your response to the uproar has been wavering and inconsistent, and your defense has the odor of self-righteousness. You say that people who have not read your book have no right to criticize it. But do you really think that reading the book will drastically alter their opinions?
Then you talk about freedom of expression. Free speech is a tricky issue and cannot be taken too literally. What do you think the response of black Americans would be if you were to mock the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? Or the reaction of the Jewish community if you were to eulogize Hitler? Or the anger of a pious Hindu if you were to present a graphic description of the slaughtering of a cow?
And to say that the Muslim world has demonstrated a total lack of dignity and tolerance is to utter a historical irrelevance. The Muslim nations have not gone through the turmoils of the Enlightenment and they have seen no scientific revolution; their sensibilities are different. Often, a peaceful demonstration is not their way and we cannot change them overnight. The best thing is to avoid hitting their most sensitive chords. And, Mr. Rushdie, you knew that. As for your waverings, you started out by expressing regret over the fact that you did not write even a more controversial book. You accused the leaders of the angry demonstration in Islamabad of exploiting a religious slogan for secular and political ends: They may have done so, but what about the innocent and ignorant people who died in the violence? You expressed no sympathy for them.
And now you issue a three-sentence statement that, at best, has the semblance of regret. Quite honestly, Mr. Rushdie, your heart does not beat in this statement, your expression is glaringly perfunctory.
I am saddened that a bounty has been placed on your head and that a great writer like you, rather than presenting himself to the public, is in hiding. You have elicited the rage of entire nations. This is a pity. But, Mr. Rushdie, you have cut them and they are bleeding: Do something quickly to heal the wound.
S. Nomanul Haq is a tutor in the history of science at Harvard University.
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