The First Americans May Have Come By Water

Discovering Archaeology Magazine ^ | E. James Dixon

[mlocher]

the first americans did arrive by water. on the mayflower

native americans were here first. european forefathers colonized and then took their land. fact of history, but not one i feel guilty about or would blame on today's culture or events. everyone is responsible for their own actions and behaviours and nobody else's.

admit history and get on with your life.

[blam]

"native americans were here first. european forefathers colonized and then took their land. fact of history, but not one i feel guilty about or would blame on today's culture or events. everyone is responsible for their own actions and behaviours and nobody else's.

I'm not interested what-so-ever in the politics of who did or did not get here first. I am very interested in the movement of humans (and when) all over the world. The paleoIndians are different than the Indians of today. That interests me.

[blam]

"Always interesting to see you on these early American threads, blam. " You always seem to be around also.

[Cleburne]

Actually, this fits in rather nicely with the idea of man being pretty well advanced far back in his early days-such as one would gather from a reading of the first books of Genesis. That early man could cross an ocean comes to no suprise to a Bible-believer. Which may be why these new, and quite controversial, theories are encountering a good deal of flack. None of it fits in with the conventional thinking of the past century. Humans crossing the ocean thousands and thousands of years ago would not be primitive peoples! Such a journey would require a good deal of intelligence, forward planning, and a lot of determination.

[Cleburne]

Do you know if any Indian groups present today (or in recent times) have/had any tales of meeting other peoples upon reaching their homeland? I believe I told you the legend the Choctaws tell of meeting unusual folks upon coming to Mississippi from the West. I'm willing to bet there are other tales along those lines in other regions of the US.

[Eternal_Bear]

Native Americans have always claimed that their ancestors came from several places. This fact is indisputable: Any surviving genetic inheritance of the first people here would reside in the surviving Native American population of today."

BTW, the Hispanics of New Mexico were here before the English colonists. This is often overlooked.

[blam]

"Do you know if any Indian groups present today (or in recent times) have/had any tales of meeting other peoples upon reaching their homeland? "

No. All I can add is that some of the Europeans reported meeting some unexpected looking Indians during their western migrations. That's all.

[ASA Vet]

the earth is only 6000 years old.

There is a quaint supernaturalist cult operating
in much of the western world which actually believes this.

[Mercat]

I have a Cherokee ancestor... way way back but part of family story.

[blam]

" Any surviving genetic inheritance of the first people here would reside in the surviving Native American population of today."

Yup I agree, unless they went extinct before today's American Indians arrived. The DNA seems to suggest there may have been some minimum amount of mixing.

"BTW, the Hispanics of New Mexico were here before the English colonists. This is often overlooked."

Yup. I have a friend in Texas who claims to be descended from these Spainards.(as he called them)

[Eternal_Bear]

Something curious: The first English settlement in the United States albeit very temporarily was in Marin County, California. Drake landed there in the late 16th Century and claimed "Nova Albion" for England. How strange that the first "New England" was there.

[PaulKersey]

THe first Americans did arrive by water. On the Mayflower.

Yes, the First Americans did arrive by water, The NORSEMEN.

[blam]

"Something curious: The first English settlement in the United States albeit very temporarily was in Marin County, California. Drake landed there in the late 16th Century and claimed "Nova Albion" for England. How strange that the first "New England" was there."

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[Eternal_Bear]

One of the Cherokee cultural heroes was named "Wotan". Just a coincidence with the European "Wotan"(also spelled Woden or Odin)? However, the Cherokee Wotan was never worshipped as a god. Maybe the real Wotan was transatlantic?

[Eternal_Bear]

Drake said he found a very nice bay in Nova Albion but no one knows for sure whether he sailed into San Francisco bay! His logbook which would solve the mystery was seized by English intelligence and has never been released! The Spainish later sent an expedition to make sure the English were gone. They found no trace of the English settlement.

[4CJ]

Curiouser and curiouser. "Nova Albion" - didn't Clive Cussler have that in one of his novels?

"I'm not interested what-so-ever in the politics of who did or did not get here first. I am very interested in the movement of humans (and when) all over the world. The paleoIndians are different than the Indians of today. That interests me."

I agree. But Al Gore probably discovered America thousands of years ago. ;o)

[mlocher]

the paleoindians are different than the indians of today

yes indeed. we share a common interest.

[SunkenCiv]

bttt, or maybe bttahigherspot...

Mitochondrial DNA and the Peopling of the New World
Theodore G. Schurr
American Scientist
May-June 2000

Anthropologists have long speculated on the origins of the native populations in the Americas. One of the more recent theories holds that three distinct waves of immigrants--corresponding to three proposed linguistic groups among Native Americans (Amerind, Na-Dene and Eskaleut)--crossed the Bering strait from Asia no earlier than 13,000 years ago. Molecular anthropologist Theodore Schurr’s research on genetic variation in the mitochondrial DNA of native populations in Asia and the Americas casts some doubt on this view. His research suggests that the first Americans may have come to the New World more than 30,000 years ago. Although there is concordance between the linguistic and genetic affinities of Na-Dene Indians and Eskimo-Aleuts, this type of linkage is less robust for the so-called Amerinds. According to Schurr the genetic evidence is, instead, more consistent with a complex migration pattern involving at least two ancient expansions of ancestral populations who may have come from widely separated parts of the Asian continent, as well as the re-expansion of Beringian populations into the New World following the last period of glaciation.

(abstract only)

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks blam for this 2001 topic, somehow it escaped detection before.

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[VOA]

PBS's NOVA had a good episode on this a few weeks ago.

I was extremely bothered by the idea of the pre-historic French getting the credit
not only for floating to North America, but even for creating the Clovis point.