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Box-cutters found on Sept. 11 plane -Air Canada
Reuters ^ | October 13, 8:48 am Eastern Time

Posted on 10/13/2001 10:55:41 AM PDT by Ranger

TORONTO, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Police are investigating circumstances surrounding a Sept. 11 flight from Toronto to New York after box-cutter knives were found aboard the airliner, which never left the ground that day, an airline spokeswoman said on Saturday.

Box-cutters and knives were the weapons used by hijackers who took control of four U.S. airliners on Sept. 11 and smashed them into landmarks in New York and Washington and a Pennsylvania field, killing nearly 5,400 people.

Air Canada (Toronto:AC.TO - news) spokeswoman Laura Cooke said the knives were found on Sept. 14 by a passenger on an Air Canada flight heading for Calgary.

The plane had initially been scheduled to fly to New York on Sept. 11, leaving Toronto's Pearson International Airport at 9 a.m. It never took off because the United States closed its airspace to civilian traffic after the attacks in New York and Washington.

``The matter is being looked at by the authorities,'' Cooke said. She declined to give details about the passengers.

The Globe and Mail national newspaper quoted a passenger on the original Sept. 11 flight as saying that he had been questioned by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

``I asked them why they were asking questions, and they told me box-cutters were found under some of the seats,'' the paper quoted the passenger as saying.

``It is pretty scary to know that I was on a flight to New York on Sept. 11 and box-cutters were under some seats.''

The airliners used in the hijack attacks took off from Boston, New York and Washington.


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1 posted on 10/13/2001 10:55:41 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: Ranger
I asked them why they were asking questions, and they told me box-cutters were found under some of the seats

So, the plane never took off. But did the passengers ever board??

2 posted on 10/13/2001 10:59:45 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
I don't think we'll ever know how many planes were supposed to have been skyjacked on 9/11. As bad as the WTC and Pentagon was, it appears it could have been much worse. Looks like Bin Laden had no idea Bush could ground all air traffic in the U.S. in less than an hour.

I'm convinced there are many terrorists here who already have their orders.

3 posted on 10/13/2001 11:14:22 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Cachelot
Really good question about the boarding. I think answer is yes since the article says that officials interviewed the passenger schedule on the 9/11 flight. However I believe box cutters were found on planes in boston that did not take off that day due to grounding. There is growing evidence I think that maintenance personnel of some sort pre-planted weapons on the planes. Whether this was the only means of getting weapons on the planes or not, I don't know.
4 posted on 10/13/2001 11:31:53 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: Ranger; aristeides; Plummz
I believe you're correct; the maintenance/ground personnel were part of the plan and planted box-cutters in some planes. I think one was also found in a trash bin on board one flight.
5 posted on 10/13/2001 11:40:19 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz; Lion's Cub; Howlin; Clive
Given these guys' M.O., this Toronto-New York flight was probably meant to take out a target near Toronto. Sears Tower? Something in Canada?
6 posted on 10/13/2001 12:18:19 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: John Robinson
The new system wouldn't allow me to address "TerrOrWar" in #6. I have been using "TerrOrWar" to index threads, the way "condidit" was used. Is it necessary to disable that capability?
7 posted on 10/13/2001 12:20:08 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Fred Mertz
I believe you're correct; the maintenance/ground personnel were part of the plan and planted box-cutters in some planes. I think one was also found in a trash bin on board one flight.

If they were going to plant something, why would they plant something that could be carried on legally? Why not something more useful like an AK47 with a half-dozen spare magazines or an 18" short sword?

8 posted on 10/13/2001 12:51:51 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
If they were going to plant something, why would they plant something that could be carried on legally

Someone might ask questions about knives, or demand that they be placed in the "main" luggage. I have experienced that myself, in Europe. Although I have always been allowed to have my swiss army knife, but I suspect that's a bygone.

And a box cutter found accidentally, by some random stranger, wouldn't raise near the interest that an AK would.

9 posted on 10/13/2001 1:09:25 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Fred Mertz
If the ground maintenance personnel planted those "box cutters", why didn't they plant guns or, at the very least, real (over 9" blade ) knives? Any ideas?
10 posted on 10/13/2001 1:28:40 PM PDT by albee
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To: aristeides
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11 posted on 10/13/2001 2:08:16 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: albee; supercat
I'm taking an educated guess, but I'm sure there are some security measures to prevent low-level ground personnel from bringing in weapons or bazookas.
12 posted on 10/13/2001 2:11:40 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: John Robinson
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13 posted on 10/13/2001 2:13:30 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I'm taking an educated guess, but I'm sure there are some security measures to prevent low-level ground personnel from bringing in weapons or bazookas.

An AK might be a little large to escape notice; I just mentioned that because it's the stereotypical type of firearm for that part of the world.

On the other hand, it would be very easy to hide a pistol, compact/foldable rifle/shotgun, or 18" short sword inside an innocent-looking box. The only reason a box-cutter would be easier to hide would be its size; a box long enough to hold an AK would probably get noticed. But the other weapons I mentioned could probably have escaped notice if smuggled on by ground crews, and a few men with 18" short swords who were well-trained in their use would be able to hold at bay a plane load of even unwilling passengers.

14 posted on 10/13/2001 2:32:32 PM PDT by supercat
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To: aristeides; Fred Mertz; Howlin; Clive; supercat
Given these guys' M.O., this Toronto-New York flight was probably meant to take out a target near Toronto. Sears Tower? Something in Canada?

I have little doubt that Sears Tower was a target. Canada (and Mexico for that matter) has little to fear at the moment. The terrorists have no intention of doing anything in those countries that would cause them to tighten their borders, as this would impede their ability to carry out attacks on us.

I flagged the rest of you because I thought you might be interested in reply #28 and #31 an this thread From #31: The government also alleged that Argenbright (the contracted security company) had violated FAA regulations at 13 airports, including Dulles International outside Washington, Logan in Boston, New York's LaGuardia, and Dallas-Fort Worth.

15 posted on 10/13/2001 10:55:15 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: John Robinson
I've added it. Thanks.
16 posted on 10/14/2001 5:04:07 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Cachelot
So, the plane never took off. But did the passengers ever board??

I talked about this before. I do not beleive this is the only plane where box cutters were found.

I think that there were operatives working for airports or airlines that place them there.

A hijacker did not even have to smuggle them on board -- they were there waiting for him.

17 posted on 10/14/2001 4:16:13 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Texasforever; piasa; sadimgnik
All you I pinged discussed this on a thread about a week ago called Frisking 9-year-olds
18 posted on 10/14/2001 6:28:36 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
I think that hijackers dumped them when they learned that the plane was grounded,fully expecting to be searched when they got off. Anybody want to guess if that happened?
19 posted on 10/14/2001 6:35:38 PM PDT by calljack
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To: tallhappy
Someone left me a note about the Air Canada story and included a comment that boxcutters were found on a Delta flight from Atlanta and a United flight from Dallas. I suppose this was reported on the radio. I'm not sure.

Either way, you're right in remembering that boxcutters were found elsewhere, on other 'grounded' flights. I destinctly recall that myself.

20 posted on 10/16/2001 5:18:48 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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