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To: HiTech RedNeck
Halon is used in fire extinguishing systems in computer rooms; it is expensive but it is not harmful to equipment or to people.

Equipment no; people, yes.

Halon makes a relatively poor substitute for oxygen...

7 posted on 10/05/2001 10:28:52 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Interesting Times
"Halon makes a relatively poor substitute for oxygen..."

Yes, that's how halon puts out fires (quite effecitvely, too). Maybe a foam system (the foam is, ironically, made from pig's blood!) or a dry soda-type system would be effective while not suffocating the poor people trapped in the building.

14 posted on 10/05/2001 10:46:44 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Interesting Times
You don't have to smother the fire with Halon. A still-breathable Halon mix would work just fine; it chemically stops the combustion reaction, rather than physically blocking the oxygen.
15 posted on 10/05/2001 10:47:22 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Interesting Times
Halon makes a relatively poor substitute for oxygen...

Unlike CO2, halon does not extinguish fires by displacing oxygen. Halon can be present in sufficient concentration to extinguish most fires without displacing so much oxygen as to prevent breathing.

I don't know the exact details, but halon takes advantage of the fact that most materials don't burn by oxidizing directly; instead, they go through several reactions in sequence. Halon blocks this process by combining with intermediate combustion products. According to the warnings I've seen on halon fire equipment, halon gas itself is non-toxic, but the gasses produced when halon combines with intermediate combustion products can be downright nasty.

All that being said, I don't think that a halon fire suppression system would have been much help on 9-11. A foam-based fire suppression system might have helped since--once sprayed--it would remain on top of the fuel and prevent re-ignition until the fuel was cleaned up. Halon, however, would most likely disperse before all possible re-ignition sources could be dealt with (given how hot the jet fuel burned, it would have quickly heated parts of the building well above the ignition point of jet fuel; unless those parts of the building cooled below the ignition point of jet fuel they would probably cause a re-ignition even if there weren't any other sparks or ignition sources still present).

17 posted on 10/05/2001 10:56:12 PM PDT by supercat
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