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To: norton
Actually they do. Many of the leaders of Islam spend long hours and risk their lives working against these people. I was an acquaintance of the leader of the main Mosque in Tucson (the Mosque is right across the street from where I went to high school my first two year, usually I was ditching class when I ran into him), he was a good man who spent a lot of time working against these people. For his efforts he was assassinated by one of Bin Laden's followers. This was in 1990 before Bin Laden was on the radar of non-Islamic America.

You have to understand the true Islamics are a very humble people, they do not draw attention to their efforts. I didn't even know that this guy ran the Mosque until he was killed and I saw his picture in the paper; since he was usually sweeping or picking up trash I honestly thought the guy was the janitor. They also feel a lot of shame over the radical element and how they have tied themselves to Islam. These people put tons of effort into fighting against the bad guys, but because of their faiths strict rules against violence that isn't directly in self defense, and their rules against seeking power and glory, their efforts and news about their efforts are forcibly limited. These people will not violate their religion to punish others for violating the religion, in their eyes it would make them just as bad. They work in small groups, they donate money to numerous efforts against the terrorists, they instruct all those that will listen in the true meaning of the Koran and how these terrorists pervert Allah's word.

They're not on your radar because they don't want the fame, you either have to know where to look or be lucky enough to stumble on them (the hour or two of conversations I had with this guy, during the same era that our Marine barracks were car bombed, completely changed my understanding of the situation, and I think the fact that he was assassinated shows he wasn't BSing me). But they damn sure are on the radar of the terrorists, and they've been paying the price for a long time. In my book, if their efforts are good enough to get them killed they're plenty good enough for my humble praise.

40 posted on 09/14/2001 1:20:33 PM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu
Your reply 40 --- I for one, do keep it in mind, always; and thank you.
44 posted on 09/14/2001 5:07:42 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: discostu
So Islam is merely four to five hundred years behind the other world relegions -
What evils took place because european Catholics were too humble to protest the inquisition? Too willing to submit to the calls for another crusade? Willing to trade one king for another because their clerics deemed it appropriate>
What percent of the population suffered because a small number of clerics decided that witches float?

Non fanatical muslims and their supporters might consider how many Jews died being humble before those who wrested Israel from a political impasse chose to act.
(Note that I don not pass jusgement on your support, I've talked with former enemy soldiers and airmen whom I liked and respected more than some of my peers. Steriotyping is a trap.)

I believe that we deserved Bill Clinton because we allowed him to take office and to keep it for eight years, whatever the causes or the arguements we were not enough to remove him. In a similar manner I believe that those moderate Muslims who quietly and ineffectually oppose the Bin Ladens of this world, just like those who act "progressive" while quietly cheering them on, deserve their fates entwined with those of the fanatics.

46 posted on 09/14/2001 9:24:12 PM PDT by norton
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