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To: PatrickHenry
At the conference Hawking dismissed the idea of a series of big bangs on the grounds that it extended into the infinite past and so could never have a beginning.

PH, I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear.

From Hawking's POV, it seems he feels both an temporally infinite Universe (or infinite repeating Universe) and a temporally infinite Deity suffer the same deficiency. Essentially, "it/he was always there" is just a philosophical sleight of hand to avoid the messy problem of origins.

This doesn't bode well for the turtles, either.

19 posted on 09/09/2001 2:59:56 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
At the conference Hawking dismissed the idea of a series of big bangs on the grounds that it extended into the infinite past and so could never have a beginning.
PH, I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear.

They have no evidence. I'm still in the game.

24 posted on 09/09/2001 3:42:26 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: longshadow
No one needs to worry about the turtles. No temporally infinite universe is going to stop them from stacking all of the way down.
35 posted on 09/09/2001 6:09:51 PM PDT by Romestamo
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