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If this were truly all about NATO expansion, as the Russian apologists claim, then let Putin offer to withdraw from Ukraine in return for Ukrainian neutrality. He will not do that because the real reason for this war is that he does not recognize Ukraine as an independent country from Russia, as he has stated publicly for years. What was the excuse for the real start of the war: the Russian invasion of 2014? NATO expansion was not on the table and was not given as an excuse.

As for the so-called oppression of the Russian minority in Donbas, it did not happen. Despite all the wild claims to the contrary, all the language law did was mandate the use of Ukrainian in state institutions and its use alongside Russian in the media. Stop believing in Russian propaganda.

Ahhh,

You have “sovereignty” as your argument, got it.

So how is Ukraine under our thumb any more sovereign?

Who do you think picked most the key leaders in Ukraine?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

What does it mean when a US bank (JPMC) and asset holding company (Blackrock) runs your nations finances?

How about when a US VP years ago “demands” that Ukraine fire one of their top state prosecutors (because he was getting to close for comfort with some of the deals the Biden’s had made), and then comes back home and brags about it. I have got to post this, it’s “epic:” https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/

“Sovereignty” what exactly does that mean to you? US control is sovereign, Russian control is oppression?

2014 was the key date, even the Maiden was orchestrated by us and we basically admit to that. That is when the US took control an began to “purge” Russian influence in Ukraine.

Roughly 20% of the population in Ukraine is ethnic Russian, they were major trade partners, ~ 1/3 of the people have family of some sort in the other nation, at various times what today is Ukraine once was Russia, they border each other, (((and how exactly do we come into the picture?)))

Russia can’t keep up with our MSM, big tech, the over $5 billion spent just by the Department of State in Ukraine up until 2014, our so called NGO’s, CIA, NSA, foreign aid, military assistance, even our private sector which gets cleared and basically coordinated through the State Department and DoD. In 2014 we essentially took over Ukraine.

If there were even the smallest shred of truth behind your argument, we would have gotten behind Minsk, which was all about deescalation and getting all foreign combatants / influence out of Ukraine. But we were the first one to violate it, in fact, before, during it’s signing, and after. We had no intentions on a peaceful resolution.

Since you likely don’t know what Minsk was: https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html