Posted on 02/27/2024 1:10:43 AM PST by JadeEmperor
>> I’d worry if they brought back the Baltic, Western, and Kiev Military Districts.
The scuttlebutt is the Baltics are next.
Right after Transdnistria / Moldova.
Watch for the vote tomorrow.
“The scuttlebutt is the Baltics are next.”
Nonsense. Putin may be a thug and a tyrant, but he’s not crazy. He won’t attack any NATO country.
>> Hummm why is it Leningrad military district instead of St.
>> Petersburg military district?
The city changed its name from Leningrad to St. Petersburgh following the dissolution of the USSR, but the oblast never did, all these years.
They also never buried Lenin’s body and unlike the other former USSR republics, most of his statues are still up where they stood.
Russia never went through decommunization like some other ex-Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries.
The cancer was in remission. And now its back.
The globalists. Finland and Sweden are firmly controlled by the globalists, who want control of the mineral wealth of Russia.
Other than that, each country responds to whatever is happening around them and Russia is responding to the actions of the West.
Do you think that the West is immune from being a bad actor? We’ve put military assets within reach of Russia and it’s confirmed that we put spy agencies around Russia as well, probably with the intent on having Russia undergo a colour revolution, so it can be brought into the globalist order.
>> He won’t attack any NATO country.
Conventional wisdom says he won’t.
But it was the conventional wisdom that said Japan would be crazy to attack the US, but they did. It was the conventional wisdom that said Hitler would be insane to wage a war on two fronts, but yet he did just that. There were numerous voices on this very forum that espoused the conventional wisdom that Putin wouldn’t invade the Ukraine right up until 2/24/2022.
One possibility is they would escalate to de-escalate. Push into the Baltics and then sue for keeping the territories they are holding on to in Ukraine as the price of their withdrawal.
This re-drawing of the military districts supports fighting a limited war in the Baltics, Suwalki Gap while continuing their “SMO” in Ukraine.
Watch the Transdnistria vote tomorrow.
Moldova is the next step.
“One possibility is they would escalate to de-escalate. Push into the Baltics and then sue for keeping the territories they are holding on to in Ukraine as the price of their withdrawal.”
I wonder how a move like that would affect the situation in Kaliningrad, or surrounding it? Ukraine has disturbed Russian strength in the Black Sea. What if Russia ended up losing its warm water port in the Baltic with that kind of adventurism?
Here we see the same modus operandi that Moscow used to subvert all the major nations of eastern Europe after WW2. They and their surrogates suppress opposition by threats, arrests, deportations and murders until they can "win" a vote, then beat their breasts and claim "democracy".
It fooled the Allies right into 1948, until they murdered the sitting Czechoslovak foreign minister. They tried it in Greece but failed, thank God. They did it Crimea, deporting native Tatar populations as far back as 1944 and substituting Russians. They did it Donbass in 2014, deporting native Ukrainians into exile in the "Mother Country".
This Muskovite practice was the reason that NATO had to be formed in 1949. And it's being repeated today, which is why previously neutral nations are joining NATO. Only propagandists and their useful idiots deny this.
Kaliningrad has been mostly demilitarized for Ukraine. Pushing into the Baltic would trigger NATO and the Moscovians would slaughtered. Their North Sea fleet is bottled up and useless with Norway, Finland, and Sweden in NATO.
They have effectively lost the Northern ports. They only have the Pacific ports. The warm water port on the Black sea is bottled up.
Attacking NATO: they would have to sally all their ships out into the open ocean with no resupply to keep them.
>> Finland and Sweden are firmly controlled by the
>> globalists, who want control of the mineral wealth of Russia.
>> Other than that, each country responds to whatever is
>> happening around them
So which is it, some shadowy puppetmasters pulling the strings behind the scenes, or sovereign countries responding to whatever is happening around them?
And who actually WANTS to ‘control’ Russia? That mostly inhospitable sparsely populated land? Who, besides the Russians, is going to mine that mineral wealth for 10-15K rubles salary and a bottle of vodka? Surely not the “globalists”. Russian labor, like Russian lives, is cheap. Other than the Russians, or possibly the Chinese or North Korean slave laborers no one else wants to live and work there mining all that precious mineral wealth.
Russian agriculture is only profitable in the southern regions, like Krasnodar or Kuban, the rest of it you’d be struggling to break even. Part of the reason why they covet Ukraine lands, it was and is a breadbasket of much of Europe and
>> Russia is responding to the actions of the West.
You’re willfully ignoring Moscow’s continuing agressive policy towards the “near abroad” as they call the former USSR republics. They let them “leave” without actually letting them leave and got pissed when some of those tried to assert real independence. As long as their stooge is in power, there is “peace” if you can call it that.
They never really respected or recognized their independence, in spite of numerous treaties that they signed. Like that Treaty of Friendship with Ukraine, not worth the ink or the paper its written on.
They invaded Georgia in 2008 and before that they meddled in places like Abkhazia, Transdnistria, and the rest of ex-Soviet hotspots.
They ensured that Karabakh conflict would ever be a heap of smouldering coals, ever requiring their “mediation”. Guess what, Armenia has had enough of them too at this point and their president is withdrawing from Moscow-oriented security agreements and organisations. I’ll bet you will say he is a puppet of the globalists too.
>> What if Russia ended up losing its warm water port in the
>> Baltic with that kind of adventurism?
And the Baltic sea has now effectively become a NATO lake.
Maybe some karma will be visited upon the Russians who expelled the native population of Konigsberg in 1945 and they will suffer the same fate.
>> Only propagandists and their useful idiots deny this.
Quite a few of both here, unfortunately. The sad part is demoralized western conservatives rooting for Pootin, like he is some kind of liberator from the woke.
He would nuke us if he knew he could do so with impunity.
When Moscow resorts to “active measures” against our infrastructure, when things finally do go kinetic, will those same people be still rooting for our enemies?
Right. The globalists are acting out of sincerity and will not touch the $400 trillion in mineral wealth for themselves?
You’re like the 1940’s American who thought the death camps were myth and no humans were that evil, until Eisenhower made it undeniable.
Russia will be Russia, but obviously you see nothing wrong with piling military hardware and spy agencies just outside Russia’s doors.
That inhospitable land has an estimated $400 trillion in mineral wealth. You think the globalists, who have publicly stated to want the world’s population reduced by about 8 trillion people are going to care about the people on the land? They see that inhospitable land as assets in their bank account.
I haven’t ignored anything about Russia. We could have allowed them narrow objectives, if their concern was about the Russian speaking ethnicities, and not had a war. If Russia went beyond their stated objectives, then we could have had our war.
We are as sincere about the Ukraine war as we were about the Gulf war I and II, when Bush lied about WMD’s.
But go ahead and believe those that have stated they want a one world government and 8 trillion less people. I’m sure they are telling the truth, right?
I can't begin to fathom that. Unless it's just knee-jerk opposition to O'Biden. Which is awfully simple-minded.
Of course there are several highly active FR posters who I cannot believe are anything but agents provocateurs pretending to be Americans but posting according to clumsy scripts from the GRU.
https://www.economist.com/international/2024/02/20/russian-spies-are-back-and-more-dangerous-than-ever
Making the logical moves to fortify against the coming war with NATO countries. Tell me which side is mad?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4220289/posts
On Sunday, The New York Times published a rare US admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine’s wartime decision-making but has established and financed high-tech command-and-control spy centers and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.
According to Zero Hedge, The New York Times admitted that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine’s intelligence services has “transformed” the former Soviet state and its capabilities into “Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.”
Zero Hedge reported: This means that with the disclosure of the longtime “closely guarded secret” the world just got a big step closer to WW3, given it means the CIA is largely responsible for the effectiveness of the recent spate of attacks which have included direct drone hits on key oil refineries and energy infrastructure.
“Without them [the CIA and elite commandoes it’s trained], there would have been no way for us to resist the Russians, or to beat them,” according to Ivan Bakanov, former head of the SBU, which is Ukraine’s domestic intelligence agency.
A main source of the NYT revelations—disclosures which might come as no surprise to those never willing to so easily swallow the mainstream ‘official’ narrative of events—is identified as a top intelligence commander named Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy.
Clearly, Kiev and Washington now want the world to know of the deep intelligence relationship they tried to conceal for over the past decade.
Some of are convinced that this war was a con, with the intent of taking over Russia.
I’m convinced that some Freepers are fine with the one world government and the eliminate of 8 billion people. I can’t imagine any other reason to be reflexively on the side of the West, when it should be obvious that we aren’t the good guys anymore either.
The West was trying to engineer a colour revolution in Russia. The same sort of color revolution they engineered in the Ukraine and the same colour revolution that America is currently undergoing.
For those who do not understand what colour revolutions are, they are revolutions to overthrow country using its own electoral laws against itself, even if it means writing new laws. Mail-in ballots and Zucker boxes are examples of laws that were written for the purpose of overthrowing America to put it under the control of the globalists.
Because they keep piling military hardware and spy agencies just inside their doors.
....We could have allowed them narrow objectives, if their concern was about the Russian speaking ethnicities, and not had a war. If Russia went beyond their stated objectives, then we could have had our war.
Well, they did go beyond their stated objectives, and now they have their war.
We are as sincere about the Ukraine war as we were about the Gulf war I and II, when Bush lied about WMD’s.
Bush never lied about the WMDs. He never even mentioned them in his request to Congress for authorization to invade Iraq. It was Democrats who made up the whole WMD story, and you've fallen for it.
But go ahead and believe those that have stated they want a one world government and 8 trillion less people.
Can't even get that right. It's billion, not trillion.
Russia is in its rights to pile its military hardware in its borders. That’s what being a country is all about. NATO, however, was piling its military hardware outside of NATO borders. We did what you accuse Russia of doing.
We didn’t have an agreement for the narrow objectives. We could have struck one and monitored it. If there is no agreement to be had, there is no reason for them to keep to narrow objectives.
Bush lied about WMD’s. Yes, technically Saddam had them, but he had no means of delivering them. Bush made the claim that Saddam was preparing to use them. We know now that Saddam was not preparing to use them.
I can be correctly. It is 8 billion, but you seem fine with the idea. Give Russia over to the globalists and they can proceed with eliminating 90% of the world’s population. Are you fine with that, because you expect to survive that?
The British/US axis of evil, bringing the entire world to the brink of World war, is what changed. Even Switzerland disdains neutrality now. All this, in a war that will have no winners, only losers.
The goal is and has always been, to rob Russia of a port that they can station their Navy at in the winter. WE started this with our meddling. WE did it with a purpose. WE have long been just another nation, run by evil men, with evil intent.
If we spread our government over the entire world, it would be no different than if Russia did it. THAT is why we have different Nations, so different people, can decide for themselves how they want to live.
You are correct. The older I get, the more I realize that the “shining city on a hill” mantra is just advertising.
You don’t need to “sell your message”, it sells itself.
The ONLY reason for mass illegal immigration is, our government pays them better than their piss poor jobs in other countries do.
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