Posted on 02/16/2024 5:30:03 PM PST by Kazan
One month into this the Ukes had a deal negotiated giving them control over all of Ukraine excluding Crimea. No NATO, but a large, neutral Uke army permitted. The long established economic ties were to remain. In other words, a neutral Ukraine would implement the Minsk Agreement. The neutral buffer Eisenhower had envisioned would be re established. The West talked Z out of taking the deal. The promised payoff for Z, total Uke victory. The fool followed right down the primrose path. After 300,000 more dead Ukrainians, a loss of at least a quarter of the Ukrainian population and an additional quarter of its territory, we’re asked to pay the $61 B toll in order to continue down the primrose path to total victory.
What crap. What total crap. Ukraine wants your damned Russian friends to go back to Russia. They don’t want a victory over Russia because they never attacked Russia.
But you know what? This might not end unless Russia is utterly vanquished and defeated just the same as Nazi Germany was utterly vanquished and defeated.
And I don’t want to see any victory parade in Red Square in front of the Kremlin.
If it were up to me I’d destroy them both and erase them from history. The world would be a better place and so would Russia.
“Vlad never closed their factories”
Partly because so much Soviet era military equipment like tanks, planes, and ships were built in Ukraine.
It’s all about money....
“allowing Russia to win is going to send a clear message to China and other adversary states that they can use military force to attack our allies and interests without the risk of any meaningful response?”
Exactly
“allowing Russia to win is going to send a clear message to China and other adversary states that they can use military force to attack our allies and interests without the risk of any meaningful response?”
Exactly
Why aren’t you in Ukraine fighting?
The Ukraine was part of the Russian empire/USSR from 1793-1991. That’s longer than Texas has been part of the USA. One of the MANY reasons why I do NOT “stand with Ukraine.”
The Minsk Agreements served as the territorial basis for the settlement. Pre 2022 borders were to be honored with the Minsk Agreements guarantees for the Russian speakers in those areas. That’s what Putin said. That’s what the chief Uke negotiator said.
You're absolutely correct. Ethnic Russians are the largest ethnic group there. Russian is preferred language. Those in that part of Ukraine voted for a President that in 2014 was driven out of office by an illegal coup.
The delusional people the author was referring to to in this piece are people like you.
You're the one that bet me that by end of this month Russia would have withdrawn from all "occupied" territory in Ukraine.
You're obviously going to lose that bet -- $100 to the current Freep-a-thon is what you will owe.
So, you're credibility is pretty low when it comes to predicting the outcome of this war.
Nobody I know thinks Russians are the good guys in this war. We don’t see a good guy only two horrible guys that have nothing to do with us.
Also, there is no amount of political will that can keep Ukraine from losing this.
‘...allowing Russia to win...”
Who the hell are you you to determine ?
and who the hell are you/we to determine?
Not reliant on your “..independent thought capacity” AT ALL, a total loser bet
You arent really understanding my point are you? The Ukrainians want to fight for their country, and we should help them do that, because if we dont, we are all going to end up fighting directly in a war that will involve us spending our own blood when for an investment in mere money, we could defeat Russia now and hold our enemies in check. And if we gave the Ukrainians the weapons they needed, this war would already be over with far fewer losses. It could still be ended if we resolved to supply them with enough gear to overwhelm the Russian material advantage and save hundreds of thousands of lives bleeding away in attritional warfare, but you cant see that. You think that the best way to avoid bloodshed is to project western weakness and encourage enemies to attack, but you are wrong, just as Britain and France were wrong to think that appeasing Hitler was going to save lives in 1938.
You will know I am right when you sea China invading Taiwan because they think the US wont have the stomach to stop them.
You are delusional if you think the US is going to fight China over Taiwan.
They aren’t supposed to win. They are supposed to die so that inbred NeoCons psychopaths can fight the Russians through proxies. They are expendable Slavs. No NeoCons’ kids will be put in harm’s way.
I don’t care about Taiwan or Ukraine. Same for Israel.
We won’t have to fight Russia. They can’t even take more than a third of Ukraine.
1938 is nothing like the current circumstance.
China will just take Taiwan by breeding and eventually elections.
I have only one allegiance.
Silentprofessionals is hiring mercs. Good luck.
The idea of total Ukrainian victory is delusional
It is a military contest, not a popularity contest. Anything but a Russian victory has been delusional since day one.
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