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To: canuck_conservative
"the UK alone could probably flatten Russia in about 15 minutes, and everybody knows it ... this is more empty Russian babbling.

The Brits couldn't take on Argentina by themselves way back in 82 and their military capability has only shrunk further since 40 years ago.

Did you know that the RuZZZZian Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic, ballistic missile (NATO reporting name AS-24 Killjoy) can be used against aircraft carriers and that NATO has no defense? America has hollowed out at shipbuilding industry and will not be able to replacement sunken carriers any time within the next five years. You are an idiot.

8 posted on 01/12/2024 7:10:26 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: wildcard_redneck; canuck_conservative
wildcard_red Did you know that the RuZZZZian Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic, ballistic missile (NATO reporting name AS-24 Killjoy) can be used against aircraft carriers and that NATO has no defense?

The Kinzhal is really nothing special. Its just a ballistic missile. These things have been in existence since the second world war. The only difference is the Kinzhal is launched by an aircraft and uses a much shallower trajectory, meaning it is an endoatmospheric ballistic missile. Its basically just an air launched iskander. Virtually all ballistic missiles are “hypersonic”, meaning they fly faster than Mach 5. A Scud has a re-entry velocity of around 2 kilometers per second, which is Mach 5.8. That makes it a “hypersonic weapon”

The PATRIOT is a ballistic missile defence system, meaning it is designed to engage targets that enter the atmosphere at speeds well in excess of Mach 5. Even the older Patriot Advanced Capability 2 (PAC-2) performed very well in 2003 when engaging Iraqi SCUDs, which were moving at hypersonic velocity. Now the Kinzhal has a peak velocity that is much higher than Mach 5.8 but, as it has a short burn time and is generally flying through the atmosphere, it is constantly slowing down. That means when it approaches its target, it may not even be hypersonic any more (depending upon the range)

So, the relevant question you have to ask yourself is, if a PATRIOT can shoot down a ground launched ballistic missile quite effectively, one that is moving at hypersonic speeds, why would it not be able to shoot down an air launched ballistic missile

20 posted on 01/12/2024 7:40:49 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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