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Russia is spending so much money and manpower on defense that it's draining the rest of the economy
MSN---- business insider. ^ | 1-9 | htan@insider.com (Huileng Tan) •

Posted on 01/09/2024 5:20:40 PM PST by dennisw

Russia's military sector is overshadowing civilian industries, a former Russian central bank official wrote in Foreign Policy.

Moscow has allocated more of its 2024 budget to defense than social spending. Russia's sanctions-hit economy appears resilient as it's driven by wartime spending.

Russia is spending so much on its war in Ukraine that the effort is draining resources from the rest of the economy, according to Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian central bank official.

"Russian industry has been transformed, with defense sectors now overshadowing civilian industries," Prokopenko wrote in Foreign Affairs on Monday.

Moscow's current military spending has overshadowed social spending for the first time since the fall of the Soviet Union, wrote Prokopenko, who is a scholar at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center and a researcher at the Center of Eastern European and International Studies.

Russia has allocated nearly one-third of its 2024 budget to defense spending. Social spending including salaries, pensions, and benefits will make up for about one-fifth of the budget, according to Russia's federal budget.

"This pivot toward a militarized economy threatens social and developmental needs," wrote Prokopenko.

But it's not just about money. The military sector is also "siphoning off" labor from the civilian workforce, leading to an "abnormally low" unemployment rate of 2.9% — down from around 4% to 5% before the war, Prokopenko wrote in Foreign Policy.

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1 posted on 01/09/2024 5:20:40 PM PST by dennisw
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Give the Russkies credit for not allowing an illegal alien invasion. Or maybe it’s too dang cold there and the average Russian is a xenophobe.

We are blowing half a trillion a year on the 6-8 million invaders that Joe Biden has let in.


2 posted on 01/09/2024 5:24:11 PM PST by dennisw (Be positive. Every day is a new day.)
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Putin is so hellbent on securing some kind of legacy about Russia’s greatness under his rule that he is destroying the country to achieve it.

Now THAT is some serious irony.


3 posted on 01/09/2024 5:29:33 PM PST by Apparatchik (Русские свиньи, идите домой!)
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To: dennisw

Was the US economy after WW2 stronger than in December 1941?


4 posted on 01/09/2024 5:32:01 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: dennisw

I believe Russia has quite a mix of people as a legacy of the Soviet Union, but since I’ve never been in Russia I can’t say for sure.


5 posted on 01/09/2024 5:33:26 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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“Russia has allocated nearly one-third of its 2024 budget to defense spending.”

During much of the Cold War, defense spending was HALF of total government spending in the US.

In any case, once Ukraine is liberated, Russia should be able to cut back a bit on defense spending.


6 posted on 01/09/2024 5:33:36 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: dennisw
Moscow has allocated more of its 2024 budget to defense than social spending.

That's the way it used to be in the U.S., and that's the way it was supposed to be.

The military was the only program that was budgeted for under the constitution, and social programs were never mentioned. Now the military is suffering under the democrats' social agenda, and the enemies know that we pay more attention to the social programs than the military or defense.

Social programs will bring down the U.S., while the aggressive warring by the Russians will bring them down.
7 posted on 01/09/2024 5:35:21 PM PST by adorno (CCH)
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We had better hope that China doesn’t call for the loan monies that we have borrowed from them!🤔


8 posted on 01/09/2024 5:39:37 PM PST by justme4now (Our Right's are God given and I don't need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!)
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“Give the Russkies credit for not allowing an illegal alien invasion. Or maybe it’s too dang cold there and the average Russian is a xenophobe.

We are blowing half a trillion a year on the 6-8 million invaders that Joe Biden has let in.”

At the end of the day Russia will have something to show for it...Well, we will also :(


9 posted on 01/09/2024 5:40:56 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Brian Griffin
Was the US economy after WW2 stronger than in December 1941?

No, it was not.

My parents told me about constant shortages of various consumer goods which lasted into the early 50's. There was also quite a bit of unemployment as 12 million people came out of the military forces and back into the civilian job market.

It took a while to adjust. Things changed in the mid-50's and America had a roaring economic boom going by then. Good times kept coming until the early 70's.

Russia will probably recover slowly from their wartime expenditures once the Ukraine has been conquered. It is unlikely that victory will be worth what they are paying for it. And China is likely to take a huge chunk out of their backsides to the east if they are not careful.

Russia is bashing their way through Ukraine by spending men at a greater rate than the Ukraine can match. China may be able to do the same to Russia when it comes time for them to take the eastern provinces.

10 posted on 01/09/2024 5:48:27 PM PST by flamberge ("It is a big club, and you are not in it" - George Carlin)
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Strange! Russian National debt was $271 Billion in October. That is a decrease of approximately $60 Billion in the last year, a decrease of approximately 20%. Our own National Debt went up around $2 Trillion in the same time period.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/national-government-debt#:~:text=Key%20information%20about%20Russia%20National,bn%20in%20the%20previous%20month.

11 posted on 01/09/2024 5:49:26 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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You mean America untouched and with a manufacturing powerhouse at full production surrounded by a world that was destroyed with the destruction focused on destroying all of the competition’s manufacturing ability and supply lines, and leaving them desperate for what we could sell them?

Do you think that is where Russia will find itself when the results are in on their Ukraine invasion?


12 posted on 01/09/2024 5:52:13 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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The article quotes this Alexandra Prokopenko person as apparently the source du jour for more or less everything semi economic in Moscow. She is a graduate of Moscow State University (subject not mentioned) and has an MA in Sociology from Manchester. I have seen nothing academic regarding finance or economics.

I did find an article again with her as the go to source in December celebrating Russia’s economic strength.


13 posted on 01/09/2024 5:55:30 PM PST by Owen (.)
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To: dennisw

That is simply a BS lie, Russia is thriving.


14 posted on 01/09/2024 5:57:31 PM PST by ganeemead (everything )
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To: fireman15

That’s because there is no international trade. It has nothing to do with fiscal prowess.


15 posted on 01/09/2024 5:58:52 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.y out)
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To: dennisw

They’re doing so poorly, Ukraine has to conscript 50,000 women to fight


16 posted on 01/09/2024 6:02:58 PM PST by struggle
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To: dennisw

? a couple nukes would end it and cost next to nothing to deploy.


17 posted on 01/09/2024 6:14:10 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Brian Griffin
Like the Soviet Union and the Tsarist state before it, Russia is an empire in that its "federation" is but a thin cover for the domination by Russia of numerous ethnically non-Russian contiguous states and peoples. Russia today is thus still an imperial amalgamation rather than a "mix" that implies American style civic equality and assimilation.

In addition, the Russian state's financial stress and military weakness and the demographic decline of its core Russian population make its future in current form questionable. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is both an imperial bid for territory and an effort to counter Russian demographic decline by annexing an ethnically similar populace that can be gradually "Russified."

Many American conservatives do not seem willing to understand that Putin's and Russia's objectives in the invasion of Ukraine are not amenable to a compromise peace based on territorial concessions and security guarantees to Russia by NATO and the US. The Ukrainians know otherwise -- which is why they are fighting instead of suing for peace.

18 posted on 01/09/2024 6:20:47 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: BobL
In any case, once Ukraine is liberated, Russia should be able to cut back a bit on defense spending.

Yes indeed! When the Russians vacate Ukrainian territory they can return to a peacetime economy.

19 posted on 01/09/2024 6:30:42 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: flamberge; Brian Griffin
Was the US economy after WW2 stronger than in December 1941?

Of course it was

US industrial production tripled during WWII!


20 posted on 01/09/2024 6:48:56 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian vermin out!!)
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