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What Went Wrong for Ron DeSantis in 2023
yahoo ^ | Dec 24, 2023 | S Goldmacher, M Haberman, N Nehamas

Posted on 12/24/2023 11:25:56 AM PST by backpacker_c

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To: dfwgator

“the wife was a big part of the problem.”

Yup—I am sure there will be some stunning “tell all” stories about her after this is over.

The “participation” blunder was a classic imho—can’t remember any campaign spouse getting that out of control and off message before...

She forgot the old adage:

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”

;-)

Then they tried to cover for her blunder—just made them all look like spinning clowns.


61 posted on 12/24/2023 12:35:11 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Vendome

“assigned with U.S. Navy SEALs in Iraq”

There is a Freeper who uses a great tagline:

“A truth that’s told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent”


62 posted on 12/24/2023 12:39:07 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The long history of men trying to court women allows the women to find out if the guy is a liar, a secret loser with a bragging confidence, or someone who could be a good husband and father someday. Doesn’t always work but it winnows out a lot of bad ones.

The “woman” here is the nomination for and winning of the US Presidency.


63 posted on 12/24/2023 1:01:54 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: ryderann

William Barr, Jeff Sessions, Michael Cohen:
Now you tell us.


64 posted on 12/24/2023 1:05:57 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: backpacker_c

I will tell you exactly what has happened

I will let you know I am still a desantis supporter and I see exactly what has happened to him

The first 3 debates he came out like a robot - weak and non combative

During the primaries a candidate needs to show cobativity !!!!

Haley came across much less scripted less robotic and more from the heart

During the greasy newsome debate desantis was spectacular and was combative with facts !!! He destroyed greasy !!!

I thought to myself , where the hell was that desantis during the first 3 debates

During the 4th debate he came across more combative but it was too late. The damage of the first 3 debates did him in and that when people switched from desantis to Haley

I need to hear the candidate platform and policies. Desantis did exceptionally well for Floridians. I just wish he was less robotic. He is a very smart man


65 posted on 12/24/2023 1:08:24 PM PST by forYourChildrenVote4Bush
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To: Alberta's Child

In the interview with Barbara Walters, Rush Limbaugh was asked why, with his millions of fans, Rush didn’t enter politics himself.

He quickly stuck out his hand, palm up.
“This is why. The second someone enters a political race someone promises campaign funding if the person agrees to do as told on some issues regardless of their own values. Without the funding the campaign goes down.”


66 posted on 12/24/2023 1:09:01 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: frank ballenger

Great quote from Rush.

Many decades ago I worked for a Congressional campaign and we were the Republican struggling against a Democratic incumbent in an evenly split party district.

My candidate (who was a known conservative in the area which was why I joined his campaign) started waffling on a bunch of issues and I got in his face about it.

At one point I accused him of being willing to harm his kids if it helped get him elected.

He fired me on the spot.

He lost the race 75% to 25%.

I think they needed me.

;-)


67 posted on 12/24/2023 1:17:36 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: JayGalt
If DeSantis ran the same campaign in 2028 he would have been just as much as loser as in 2024.

My point is that it won't be the same campaign because he won't be using the "B" team as his staff. He would have gotten the "A" team in 2028 to run his campaign.

And secondly, he wouldn't be running a campaign to dethrone President Trump, he'd be running a campaign to follow President Trump, led by the same people who advised President Trump.

-PJ

68 posted on 12/24/2023 1:18:23 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thanks PJ. I think the essential DeSantis is the issue. I find him inauthentic and doubt he would read as a Trump heir at any point since he does not have the same qualities or ideals.


69 posted on 12/24/2023 1:22:06 PM PST by JayGalt
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To: cgbg

An old cop show I watched last week had a character say “You’re making an error here. You’re treating him like he’s human. He’s not. He’s a politician.”


70 posted on 12/24/2023 1:24:30 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush

Whoo Hoo!
Lions Win The North!

🕺🏻🕺🏻🕺🏻👍


71 posted on 12/24/2023 1:27:39 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: gov_bean_ counter
What went wrong???
He got in the race.

Simplistic but not wrong.

The other was that he started believing his own press.

He could have waited until 2028 and it would have been great. Win or lose he would have been in a much better position.

72 posted on 12/24/2023 1:29:06 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( In a quaint alleyway, they graciously signaled for a vehicle on the main road to lead the way. )
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To: stanne
If DeSantis thinks Trump will go to jail then lose the election then not be able to run the presidency from jail, that would explain DeSantis’s choices

Not really.

Any of those things happening and DeSantis STILL would have been better off waiting for 2028.

73 posted on 12/24/2023 1:31:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( In a quaint alleyway, they graciously signaled for a vehicle on the main road to lead the way. )
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To: MotorCityBuck

Roar Restored!


74 posted on 12/24/2023 1:31:56 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Absolutely!


75 posted on 12/24/2023 1:43:50 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
But not only was he greedy, he was exceptionally stupid and destroyed his standing with MAGA…he listened to the political professionals…the “advisors”…who are both monumentally corrupt and monumentally stupid people. Now, it will be for me, and I’d suppose others like me, a very high bar, impossibly high practically, for me to even support in a lukewarm manner, someone who has gone for the dirty political money and acted so stupidly.

You, Sir, have hit the nail directly on the head.

76 posted on 12/24/2023 1:43:52 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: mlitefan
2028 was - and still could be - his time. If so, he needs to develop better instincts.

He has proved to be no more than a politician, and I use that word as a bad thing. He will do and say whatever it takes to win and does not have the best interests of the USA nor the citizens of the USA at heart.

77 posted on 12/24/2023 1:49:04 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: backpacker_c
What Went Wrong for Ron DeSantis in 2023

Too many GOP primary poll-respondents are worshiping a golden calf and would rather lose with a bloviating geriatric circus clown than win with an actual accomplished conservative.

And I'll be here on Election Night watching this catastrophe unfold while dishing out crow and savoring the schadenfreude.

78 posted on 12/24/2023 1:54:46 PM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President. A conservative who fights and wins..)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ok you explain it better. Why would DeSantis run against Trump?


79 posted on 12/24/2023 1:57:06 PM PST by stanne
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To: Alberta's Child

To be fair, DeSantis had no choice in the matter. Comparatively speaking, he’s flat broke and must do anything his financial backers tell him to do.

This, in a nutshell, is the main problem for anyone running for national office in this country.

Unless you are a self-financed billionaire you have to dance to the tune of Big Money, and for the Republicans that means the GOPe and their fellow travelers within the Uniparty.

I'm not sure if there is any good solution to this problem. Perhaps, what if, early on, DeSantis had solicited hard for lots of small campaign contributions, explaining his need for them to avoid being captured by the donar class? I dunno.

80 posted on 12/24/2023 1:57:12 PM PST by Gideon7
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