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Russia's Pivot Away From US Dollar Is Not Going According to Plan
Newsweek ^ | 9/11/23 | ISABEL VAN BRUGEN

Posted on 09/12/2023 7:25:41 PM PDT by Gunslingr3

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To: CodeToad

“BRICS will too.”

Really? Which BRICS nation will be trusted to be the location of the gold vaults? If they knew the answer to that question, they would have already done it.

That’s why I have repeatedly posted that BRICS won’t be a threat to the US dollar until the S in BRICS stands for Switzerland.


41 posted on 09/13/2023 6:25:57 AM PDT by devere
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To: Alter Kaker

This is not 1945 America. It is deeply in debt and starting to experience uncontrollable inflation.


42 posted on 09/13/2023 7:58:27 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: McCarthysGhost
This is not 1945 America. It is deeply in debt and starting to experience uncontrollable inflation.

LOL! The US was not in debt at the conclusion of WWII in 1945? That's a claim! :-)

43 posted on 09/13/2023 8:12:32 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: devere; CodeToad
Really? Which BRICS nation will be trusted to be the location of the gold vaults? If they knew the answer to that question, they would have already done it.

India and China have been fighting a low level border war for the last half century and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other (indeed China is the reason India developed a nuclear weapons program in the first place). I'm sure as soon as they resolve their differences, they'll figure out the common currency issue. :-)

44 posted on 09/13/2023 8:14:18 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Reverend Wright
That creates a huge demand for dollars, which is why the US can run massive budget and trade deficits for decades without devaluation or higher interest rates.

Yeah I get the argument, but it's overplayed. Demand for dollars has more to do with investment in the United States than it does with use as a reserve currency. The US was and is by far the best place to invest in the world for a multitude of reasons.

45 posted on 09/13/2023 8:17:45 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Reverend Wright
That’s great except the USA is the number one importer by far, with a trillion dollar trade deficit per year.

What's the problem with that? Other countries are willing to give us their resources in exchange for paper. It's a good deal for us!

46 posted on 09/13/2023 8:19:16 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Due to wartime spending, our debt to GNP ratio was quite high in 1945. Offsetting that was the fact that we had the greatest industrial base in the world, while much of Europe’s and Japan's base was devastated. We ran huge trade surpluses into the 1960s, and the ratio declined due to the rest of the world buying our output
47 posted on 09/13/2023 8:20:58 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Alter Kaker

Very predictable response. We are 30+ trillion in debt and 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. We wish we had post WWII debt. We climbed out of that pretty easily.

We are also becoming a third world totalitarian country. That will severely limit our ability to deal with our financial and societal problems.


48 posted on 09/13/2023 8:23:23 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: bert
Trying to make the transactions between Russia and India about the US$ verges on journo malpractice.

When sanctions force them to trade in a different currency, it would be journalistic malpractice to leave out the reason the Russian's traded oil for rupees, and then got screwed by Indian capital controls.

49 posted on 09/13/2023 8:29:41 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: McCarthysGhost
Very predictable response.

To accurately point out that saying that the US is in debt now, unlike 1945 is a ludicrous comparison since the US was hugely in debt in 1945? Obviously there are tons of other differences, but that's not one of them.

We are 30+ trillion in debt and 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

I'm a deficit hawk but that's apples and oranges because the US GNP was $228 billion in 1945 and is $27 trillion today. Actual debt to GNP has stayed about the same (obviously the difference is we haven't just come out of a World War and this level of debt isn't sustainable).

50 posted on 09/13/2023 8:30:34 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Reverend Wright
a stand alone BRICs currency

you're living in a fantasy World

how can you get 50 different countries to agree on anything binding?

loopy non-binding climate declarations are one thing, but constricting economic arrangements are another matter entirely

and who's gonna be in charge of this alleged new currency? whatever country you pick - Russia, China, India - will piss off everyone else

Prediction - Canada will land on the moon before there's a BRICS currency ... US Dollar has nothing to worry about LOL


51 posted on 09/13/2023 9:17:19 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

That’s my point.

The BRICs currency is not going to happen, and there is a strong incentive for both the EU and the BRICs countries to switch from the dollar to the Euro for international trade transactions.

The Euro is in 30 percent of foreign exchange transactions, the crosses exist for every country. The Euro sovereign debt market is not as deep as the US Treasury market, but it is still huge.

But it will work, and that’s what the BRICs want - a viable alternative to get out from under the US dollar. And the EU gets the benefit of printing the international currency, instead of the US.

The US Regime can’t function without the $US as the international currency. They won’t be able to afford imports, and won’t be able to afford a trillion dollar a year National Security State.

It can’t happen soon enough !


52 posted on 09/13/2023 9:38:08 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Alter Kaker

“What’s the problem with that? Other countries are willing to give us their resources in exchange for paper. It’s a good deal for us! “


The problem is when the US dollar falls as the reserve currency.

Then no-one will give you anything for your paper, and decades of goods exchanged for nothing means the US can’t produce anything for itself.


53 posted on 09/13/2023 9:41:18 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Alter Kaker

“Demand for dollars has more to do with investment in the United States than it does with use as a reserve currency.”


The magnitude of foreign exchange transactions and the demand for dollars that goes with it dwarfs the other demand for dollars.

The magnitude of foreign investment in the USA is on the order of $500 billion per year.

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2022/12/07/united-states-is-worlds-top-destination-for-foreign-direct-investment

Foreign exchange reserves held as the dollar are on the order of 7 trillion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves

Total Eurodollar lending outside the USA is on the order of 13 trillion.

Foreign exchange transactions are 7 trillion PER DAY. With 88 percent using the US dollar.

https://www.bis.org/statistics/rpfx22_fx_annex.pdf


54 posted on 09/13/2023 9:54:51 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Alter Kaker

The difference is that we are locked in with no hope of paying down the debt. It will just grow larger and larger until the inevitable. The rest of the world can see that. The dollar will need to be replaced. Also, America’s internal problems which are substantial and completely unfixable will just make matters worse.

I think that this stubbornly high inflation is the beginning of the end.


55 posted on 09/13/2023 10:30:14 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: Reverend Wright
The EU hasn’t seized central bank assets or excluded from SWIFT.

Because the EU doesn't need to -- that stuff primarily falls back on the dollar. In terms of overall sanctions, and grief reflected back to them, the Euro's are doing more.

56 posted on 09/13/2023 3:11:29 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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