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Ukraine’s victory is closer than ever – but a shattered Russia is nothing to celebrate
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | September 3rd, 2023 | Daniel Johnson

Posted on 09/03/2023 8:37:04 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

Victory? Just more daily incessant propaganda as neocons cheer on the Russian and Ukrainian civil war to kill and injure as many people as possible. Maybe next they will spin up conflict between China and India as there are many more millions, even billions to kill off and that war, avoiding nuclear confrontation, would be benefit to US. Ukraine doesn’t, it is just a exercise in killing people, testing new weaponry, and clearing out old inventory.


21 posted on 09/03/2023 9:16:17 AM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis 2024. Successful Governor, Honorable Veteran, Respectful, Respected.)
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To: Mariner

Ukraine is godless, Russia is Christian nation. Joe hates Christian nations.


22 posted on 09/03/2023 9:18:09 AM PDT by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.)
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To: PIF

Idiotas fail to realize the incredible commodity natural resource dynamo that is still Russia. And focus on who is running it— while the plotters think they can line their pockets with political change. Three letter failure clowns who have screwed US policy for decades.

Russians will solve the Putin problem without any help— the law of physical economics holds. Not westernizing to the world banker’s WEF agenda... re- Marxification to remove the oligarchs?


23 posted on 09/03/2023 9:19:37 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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To: Mariner

This story does not give us any proof. Its just telling us a story that is likely to be nothing more than propaganda. We know Ukraine is just so big. We know that a country with only so many men of fighting age can hold out only so long. How is Russia losing this. They have ten times the soldiers, ten times the weapons. NATO in some form would have to provide significant troops for Ukraine to have hope. But that and WW3 are indistinguishable at that point.


24 posted on 09/03/2023 9:20:54 AM PDT by poinq
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To: Mariner

The article is overly optimistic for Ukraine, however here is the money quote that applies to many here:

“the worse Russia is doing on the battlefield, the more calls you’ll hear from Kremlin allies, sycophants and propagandists for fake ceasefires, concessions and negotiations to give Russia time to rearm and consolidate to prepare for a new offensive”.


25 posted on 09/03/2023 9:21:09 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: poinq

You want to know how is Russia losing this?

A fascinating question but they have been losing it for 2 years.


26 posted on 09/03/2023 9:22:27 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Actually, your the one whose been ‘losing it’ for the last two years....and its been fun to watch. 😉


27 posted on 09/03/2023 9:26:46 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: PIF
a shattered Russia is nothing to celebrate

I'm good with that too!

28 posted on 09/03/2023 9:29:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Mariner
During Hubertus, the last German offensive at Stalingrad before operation Uranus encircled the German 6th Army Hitler claimed in a speech on Stalingrad words to that effect...You know we really have got it (Stalingrad), there are a few minor pockets to overcome, but we really have....;
29 posted on 09/03/2023 9:29:36 AM PDT by hflynn
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30 posted on 09/03/2023 9:30:12 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: hflynn

The Nazis staged a radio broadcast, around Christmas where allegedly soldiers from all of the places the Nazis were fighting would give a brief message saying where they were from. One said, “This is Stalingrad, on the banks of the Volga”.

Turned out it was from a studio in Berlin.


31 posted on 09/03/2023 9:31:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: PIF

“Why not? Sing and dance, set off fireworks, throw a huge neighborhood party!”

I’d seen enough films of Soviet fireworks to not want that in the US...

...hmmm, come to think of it...never mind


32 posted on 09/03/2023 9:32:48 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: adorno

Must be I triggered a neocon. Oh yes, you are one.

Neocon neocon neocon.

There. You like?


33 posted on 09/03/2023 9:35:11 AM PDT by dforest
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Something about the term ‘neocons’ triggers the Biden Supporters. But it is the best term to use as it transcends both parties and PERFECTLY describes the bunch that gave us this war. Plus, it is listed in Wikipedia, complete with a picture of Victor Nuland (architect of the Ukraine War) as an example.


34 posted on 09/03/2023 9:36:20 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Mariner

The guy writes like a troll. In fact he may also post on FR.

He snarks about  'anonymous sources' in the US saying the war has stalled, as if they are made up. He's pretending to know no one is likely to keep their job if they are exposed working for the government yet opposing the Biden regime's propaganda  re the Ukraine.

It's like FR's fake doctors and other Covid vax apologists who sneer that whistle blowers 'merely' post on Twitter and Rumble, as if there is no censorship in the MSM and medical journals. If whistle blowers are anonymous then FR's (anonymous) vax defenders sneer they are obviously fabrications or liars, as if the Covid 'vax' has not brought about firings, litigation, slander and other forms of cancellation of those who use their own names and medical credentials to speak against the medical regime's propaganda.

Just as FR covid vaxoholics claim anyone criticizing the vax, and therefore facing cancellation and job loss, is a 'grifter', so too this author dismisses Frances former president Nicholas Sarkozy as am attention seeking grifter trying to sell books, because Sarkozy says the Ukraine has to accept the loss of the Donbas and NATO needs to stop arming the Ukraine.  .

This quote form the article doesn't sound like the Ukraine is winning:

"Last week at an EU summit in Spain, the Ukrainian Foreign Minister, Dmytro Kuleba, told these critics to “shut up, come to Ukraine and try to liberate one square centimetre by themselves”. They were “spitting in the face of the Ukrainian soldier who sacrifices his life every day”, he said."

Many of us want the war to stop before the last of the Ukrainian men are shoved into the meat grinder. The author portrays any with such concerns as irrational, as the Ukraine collapses despite the author's 'narrative'. Biden has given the Ukraine $113Billion dollars and the MSM is working hard to hide the fact they've long known that the money seldom actually reaches the Ukraine, and they've known NATO was losing its proxy war with Russia for long, long time.


35 posted on 09/03/2023 9:37:57 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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“Ukraine is godless, Russia is Christian nation. Joe hates Christian nations.”

Certainly the Ukrainian government and its Azov supporters are Godless, but I suspect the vast majority of Ukrainians are as Christian as the Russians (or close enough).


36 posted on 09/03/2023 9:38:15 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: PIF

Wrong FRiend. Real patriots here know this and they cannot be abrogated to Putinista land. the KGB came and went, and so will this dinosaur. Banksters dying for one more commodity source country to be run and re-monetized by them— will have to earn their living. But, such are the propaganda claims of the derpies-—putinista. How have they done with Daniel Ortega- whom they let take Nicaragua, and still is removing Catholic bishops to this day. A story not covered in the leftover Marxis Central America story. Answer is not well.

Imagine all this being run by German EU inheritors directing in NATO and taking their direction from joebama’s pals. what a disaster.


37 posted on 09/03/2023 9:39:17 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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To: BobL

That one I was talking to seems to be having a very sadz day all over FR regarding the neocon war in Ukraine.

When a person gets all triggered it is time to fold up the tent and go home to mama for the day.


38 posted on 09/03/2023 9:41:55 AM PDT by dforest
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To: PIF

I do like that Pic. I’ll grab it... tks


39 posted on 09/03/2023 9:41:57 AM PDT by existentially_kuffer
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To: dforest

I agree. The current phase of war is the ongoing meat grinder for both sides. It will continue until one side runs out of men, weapons, or supplies.


40 posted on 09/03/2023 9:43:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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