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Do EVs and car transport cargo ships mix when flames are involved?(update 498 EV onboard)
Hotair.com ^ | 7/28/23 | BEEGE WELBORN

Posted on 07/28/2023 10:06:59 PM PDT by CaptainK

On Wednesday, reports started flooding in that a cargo ship, the Freemantle Highway, was ablaze in the shipping channels 17 miles off an island on the coast of the Netherlands. There were reportedly 3000 cars aboard, 25 of those EVs, and they were being transported from Germany to Egypt.

What a difference a couple days make for clarity. For one thing, it turns out the number of EVs onboard the Freemantle Highway? TWENTY TIMES MORE than initially reported. There were 498 EVs onboard as opposed to 25, for a total of 800 more cars overall in the cargo.

HOLY SMOKES. That’s quite an update

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automotive; electric; fire; shipping
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How much damage is done to the environment when that many cars sink to the bottom of the ocean? Will anyone do a study?
1 posted on 07/28/2023 10:06:59 PM PDT by CaptainK
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To: CaptainK

I told you they were death traps


2 posted on 07/28/2023 10:10:23 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: CaptainK

“...How much damage is done to the environment...”
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Think about how many planes and ships were lost at sea in WWII.
One ship load of cars = nothing.


3 posted on 07/28/2023 10:12:38 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: CaptainK

Didn’t this same thing happen to a bunch of Porsches or other high end cars and they just had to let it burn in the ocean as there was no way to put it out, obviously, and they couldn’t tow it?

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/17/felicity-ace-cargo-ship-fire-porsche-volkswagen-cars/

And NO ONE will study anything. Just like they don’t want to study what happens to windmills after they fall apart.


4 posted on 07/28/2023 10:18:14 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: CaptainK

I figure the story will be presented that the EVs had NOTHING to do with the fire on the ship and did nothing to accelerate it. And sheep will just Baa along.


5 posted on 07/28/2023 10:21:59 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

It’s not the first ship load of EV cars to catch fire in what is an industry in its infancy.


6 posted on 07/28/2023 10:28:32 PM PDT by CaptainK ("If life's really hard, at least its short")
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To: qaz123

In this case, the ship is within eyesight of the coastline, and on damage potential/cost....if it were to sink, it’d probably go into the billions.

But two additional problems play out. First, the ship has yet to sink and there’s plans today to move it slowly to a port about 17 km away. I would expect legal challenges to deny the entry into the port. Second, there’s likely to be public questions now over the battery-fire business, and realization that every week or two....somewhere in Europe...a E-car fire erupts. The public will ask why, and if the fires present a major environmental problem as they occur.

Betting-wise, I expect it to be anchored while being denied port entry....then within a week....to start sinking just outside of the port.

Insurance cost increasing for freighters carrying E-cars? More than double or triple in future costs.


7 posted on 07/28/2023 10:29:50 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Repeal The 17th

Greta: How dare you? 😁


8 posted on 07/28/2023 10:41:47 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: pepsionice

I’m not an environmental engineer but I imagine the toxicity of the smoke being spewed into the atmosphere has to be ridiculous. Keeping it in the open ocean, with all the ocean winds, would do a great job of dissipating that smoke, while bringing it closer to shore would definitely spread that smoke over the population. No Bueno.

Right now, insurance companies are either leaving Florida or making it too expensive to continue to live there. A friend of mine that has been in the industry says that for every $1 a company takes in, they’re paying out $1.25. I would love to see what they’re paying out for all the EVs that were destroyed during the hurricane last year. In addition to all the other claims.

Then toss in the fact that even minor accidents will total an EV, that ain’t a winning proposition for the insurance companies.

I foresee a future where insurance companies will provide liability insurance for an EV owner, for injuries and damage, but they will not cover the vehicle itself.

As for these ships, I can’t see Sotheby’s or whoever insures them doing it much longer. Either that or the premiums are so high that no one can afford them anymore, thus the end of the EV unless they are only built and sold in the country of origin. And given that China controls most of the material, they control the industry.

Don’t know if this is all by intent or unintended consequences, but either way it’s a mess brought on by corrupt politicians and their sugar daddies.


9 posted on 07/28/2023 10:41:57 PM PDT by qaz123
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I agree.

I read something earlier in 2023...cost impact of a E-car accident over a gas-car accident. Current trend is 25-percent higher cost, and you can figure repair time to be at least a week longer than traditional gas-cars. If you go figure the toxic numbers and on-site clean-up, I don’t see how the E-car trend continues.

Ford-Germany made a comment recently about investment into the technology and admitting billions are at risk, if the E-car trend fails.

Between insurance, and the car companies, I see a lot of risk being laid on the table and no responsible adults in the ‘room’.


10 posted on 07/28/2023 10:52:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Current trend is 25-percent higher cost, and you can figure repair time to be at least a week longer than traditional gas-cars.

And good luck finding someone that can work on them.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1957427779854

https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/careers/an-extra-6000-ev-mechanics-will-be-needed-by-2030-20211207-p59fht


11 posted on 07/28/2023 11:12:03 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Repeal The 17th

Its the lithium burning into the air thats really not good.


12 posted on 07/28/2023 11:21:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Repeal The 17th; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; Carriage Hill; Lockbox; MtnClimber; nascarnation; ...

OH Crap 💩!!! Now you’ve done it.

< sarc max >

The damned greenies/world wildlife fraud/treehuggers and cattle fart control freaks are going to be trying to get all the governments involved in WW-II to pay huge sums of money to start cleaning up all that war wreckage or demanding petroleum containment shells be built around all of those sunken ships and planes.

The Hugemanatee of this will be devastating in so many already empty skulls.

I really hope that you are happy now...

< /sarc max >

I’m thinking it’s probably going to be more economical for them to just sink that ship therefore putting out the fire. They’re not going to be able to sell any of those cars anyhow. Too much heat and smoke damage already done.

I’ll bet we’ve got a USN Submarine in the area that can spare a Torpedo and let the Crew have a live fire training session. (and blow off some steam in the process.)

Loyds of London get out yer checkbook and start paying out.


13 posted on 07/29/2023 1:41:45 AM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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To: CaptainK

Lithium is water reactive producing hydrogen gas when it reacts. So your neighbors EV can burn your home to the ground also. I am sure this is some lithium alloy, but it’s clear the reactivity is extreme nonetheless.
Hindenburg mobiles.


14 posted on 07/29/2023 2:01:32 AM PDT by momincombatboots (BQEphesians 6... who you are really at war with. )
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To: momincombatboots

I watched video of EV’s burning merrily along, they weren’t like a backyard barbecue coal fire...then they exploded—or should I use the term DETONATED, some twice! Yikes...


15 posted on 07/29/2023 3:43:07 AM PDT by W. (biden and co. must go! We need Trump back!)
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To: W.

Just a week or two ago another car-carrirer burned dockside in New Jersey. The you-tuber “”what’s happening in shipping” did a report on the problems on such fires. It’s also suspected that it started with an EV.


16 posted on 07/29/2023 4:21:49 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: CaptainK

What say LLoyds of London?


17 posted on 07/29/2023 4:28:32 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: qaz123

The wrecking yards won’t take them. Buy one of these turds and you may be stuck with it for a long time.


18 posted on 07/29/2023 7:34:40 AM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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To: qaz123

Here’s what will happen:

Insurers (currently almost exclusively Lloyd’s of London) will reevaluate the risk, assign a premium, and ICE & EV buyers alike will pay the price.

THAT is why the ships are carrying a mix of ICE & EVs: To spread the costs.

Just another way we’re all being screwed for bad policy decisions.


19 posted on 07/29/2023 8:20:01 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: CaptainK

MATH IS HARD


20 posted on 07/29/2023 10:06:27 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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