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If they want ANY chance of winning they must commit wholesale.

Form up a full armored division and 5 supporting mechanized brigades. Form a wedge and push through.

They must do this right away. Time is wasting.

1 posted on 06/17/2023 8:21:45 AM PDT by Mariner
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They have no chance at all of winning.

The Russians would nuke them before letting that happen.


2 posted on 06/17/2023 8:23:47 AM PDT by Westbrook (The Democrats are wizards at two things: Finding votes and losing evidence.)
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actually, abetter way would be for Ukraine to revive the guerilla-style Partisan Campaign of WWII

fast hit-and-run sabotage operations all over the place, taking out critical Russian infrastructure and personnel, can do great damage and are almost impossible to stop (as the Nazis found out)

they’re also great morale-killers ... this war wasn’t too popular among Russians to begin with, and partisan warfare would really de-motivate the Russian troops (and public)

plus, it’s cheaper and doesn’t cost as many Ukrainian lives, while stretching the conflict to years, which slowly strangles Russia’s economy as it remains shut out of Europe’s oil markets ...

“win-win”!!


3 posted on 06/17/2023 8:28:08 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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Apparently Russia isn’t “just a gas station with nukes.” I don’t think that this will end well for either the Ukraine or NATO. NATO is proving worthless to America and fatal to the Eurotrash.


4 posted on 06/17/2023 8:44:17 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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We keep hearing they did not commit the reserve forces so maybe they plan a large attack once they’ve had enough of this probing forward.

My concern is they may not be using the mechanized forces properly meaning moving them quickly enough around positions. But maybe the initial defenses don’t allow that.


7 posted on 06/17/2023 8:53:03 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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Advice from their advisors…..

“Move out and draw fire.”


8 posted on 06/17/2023 8:54:30 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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Ukrainian military expert says advance against Russian forces is too sluggish, urges decisive action

No Problem, lower your Draft Age to Ten Yeas old and include Females.

Yukie can do it!

9 posted on 06/17/2023 8:59:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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U.S. says Ukraine counteroffensive could be long, and at a “high cost”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-ukraine-counteroffensive-could-be-long-and-at-a-high-cost/ar-AA1cDtWP


10 posted on 06/17/2023 9:00:25 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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...sluggish progress results in increased casualties

Just curious, how many casualties so far?

19 posted on 06/17/2023 9:22:26 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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More cowbell!


21 posted on 06/17/2023 9:22:36 AM PDT by PGR88
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“Therefore, it is imperative for our military and political leadership to carefully consider these issues, assess the advantages and disadvantages, and muster the courage to take decisive actions,” Yakubets said.

Well, hope he get paid well to show up with his briefcase and spout inane expositions.
27 posted on 06/17/2023 9:59:05 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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it will take us decades to liberate our territories

Which will mean a decades-long stream of U.S. taxpayer trillions with 10% to the big guy(and his beneficiaries).

So pretty much all by design.

28 posted on 06/17/2023 10:53:24 AM PDT by rhinohunter (“Being woke means you’re a loser” — Donald J. Trump)
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The Ukrainians are too busy burying their dead.


35 posted on 06/17/2023 11:44:19 AM PDT by Mashood
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I think Ukraine’s only chance is Russian morale. How many Russians really support this or even know what’s going on? How long will Russians support a draft for this “special military operation?” What is Russia fighting for that they could not have simply negotiated? But of course. This is the most profitable war in history with 10% to “The Big Guy” and his cronies.


37 posted on 06/17/2023 12:27:30 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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