Russians do not trust the West because of crazy, over the top Russian controlled state media.
State Duma member Vyacheslav Nikonov—the grandson of Vyacheslav Molotov of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact—said that the U.S. and NATO are the Fourth Reich.
Posted on 03/31/2023 11:00:18 PM PDT by ganeemead
I don’t even trust the west any more. Can’t fault the Russians for feeling the same way.
That was childish. We WERE the Last Hope. There’s no place left to trust. Please don’t tell us that you trust the USA government, or Canada, or any other western nation.
If there were one place left to go, I’d go in a heartbeat.
I’m sure as hell not gonna trust Russia, China, Iran, or any other lying police-state dictatorships
the West ain’t perfect, but it’s still light-years ahead of those oppressive sh*tholes
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If that were not the case, then the world would go to shit because you'd have every disingenuous patent-troll mindsetted asshole who's found some agreement made with a long dead country resurrecting it for bullshit reasons. We'd have assholes with bits of paper that say "Czechoslovakia" on it holding two totally separate and totally independent countries to agreements they never signed. I bet there's paperwork out there that doesn't distinguish North Korea from South Korea either. And so on. It is a retarded, RETARDED argument.
So get your facts right.
A promise was made TO THE SOVIET UNION that as long as the SOVIET UNION remained as a geopolitical reality, NATO would not expand eastward into the USSR or Warsaw Pact.
NATO did not and could not violate any such promise, either in spirit or in fact because the SOVIET UNION and Warsaw Pact were dissolved over 30 years ago. Alongside its dissolution, the Warsaw Pact and 1922 Union Treaty were also dissolved. The end result was a Commonwealth comprised of INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES which included Ukraine, Belarus and a NEW country called the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic which was then renamed to the Russian Federation.
Not only that, the Commonwealth chair wasn't even Russian. It was in Minsk. That's why you have Minsk 0 (the Belovezha Accords), Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, all signed in, er, BELARUS not in Russia.
Don't believe me? Check this. https://www.prlib.ru/en/history/619792 - from the Boris Yeltsin Presidential Library:
December 8, 1991 in the village of Viskuly, Belarus, the Heads of State and Governments of the three republics: Boris Yeltsin and Gennady Burbulis (RSFSR), Stanislav Shushkevich and Vyacheslav Kebich (Belarus), Leonid Kravchuk, and Witold Fokin (Ukraine) signed the so-called "Belovezha Accords" on the demise of the USSR and the establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).
The preamble of the document stated that "the USSR as a subject of international law and a geopolitical reality no longer exists."
Article 1 ... Parties accepted and respected the territorial integrity of each other and the inviolability of existing borders within the Commonwealth
...At the same time Russia dissolved the Union Treaty of 1922. December 21, 1991 the Accords were joined by Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. In the city of Alma-Ata (Kazakhstan), the heads of these countries, along with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, signed the Declaration on the establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) on an equal footing. ....
December 25, 1991 the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR approved the Law of the RSFSR "On renaming of the state of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic", which took effect immediately The new name of the state was the Russian Federation (Russia).
So even Russia admits, in writing, in its historical records, that the entire premise of the "not one inch eastward" claim is redundant. Because the minute it admitted the USSR didn't exist anymore, announced the dissolution of the Union Treaty, agreed that the three states (RSFSR and Belarus and Ukraine) were independent of each other AND held equal status in the new CIS, agreed that their national borders were "inviolable", affirmed that each had its own right to its own "territorial integrity", and enshrined the concept of a Commonwealth based in Belarus, EVERY agreement between NATO and the USSR was defunct. Torn up. Consigned to the dusbin of history. Rendered irrelevant. And it wasn't NATO that did it. The RSFSR, Belarus and Ukraine leaders did it.
Which treaty says "“not one inch east"? "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany" ONLY pertains to the territory of the former GDR, banning NATO troops.
The treaty does not mention NATO membership prospects of any other countries, as none of them has been a party to the treaty... In 2014, Gorbachev said that the assurance only pertained to East Germany, and that the resulting agreement was upheld by NATO. His main aide in these negotiations, Eduard Shevardnadze, likewise agreed that NATO never made any such commitment regarding other countries in Eastern Europe, and that "the question never came up" in the talks on German reunification.That is presumably because all of the countries in question were still in the Warsaw Pact at the time and hosted large Soviet garrisons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany
If someone hasn’t already a compilation of all the “Ukraine has lost” predictions that Macgregor has made seemingly weekly should be. I admit I was following him in the beginning, he talks creditably and his record in the military gave him some credibility, but he is wrong on everything. Besides being wrong on all his predictions the most egregious are his Ukrainian casualties numbers which would have the Ukrainian military wiped out several times over. Similar to the Russian MOD numbers showing Ukrainian equipment loses several times more than they ever had.
Not sure what his deal is but I imagine there are many Swiss bank accounts in his “name”
As for Ritter, bird if the same feather.
None of us know the true numbers of loses on either side but their tales are arguably insane, and their motives for doing this very questionable
Sure there is place to go. You create a new free republic from a group of states by SECEDING from the USA.
To your point where is the written agreement that NATO would not expand, and even if such a handshake agreement existed Russian actions to enforce its control over areas would void that.
The idea that an expansion of NATO was a threat to Russia has not been proven out in actions, and as putins failed invasion to satisfy his wants and desires has proven, such an attack would have lead to nothing but death and destruction
Prior to the invasion and prior to 2014 invasion Russia was trading and beginning to prosper, well at least white Russia was.
It is sad to see Russia and China going down this 1930s path of “greatness” through military actions and threats. Both countries are well situated to prosper within their own borders and as Japan learned prosperity comes from peace and trade not war and conquest
Lastly just look at the ever changing justifications Putin has given. Their are as many as Macgregor’s predictions for the fall of Kiev
Oh, what treaty with Russia did Brandon break? For that matter show me ANY treaty the US has broken with Russia.
Russia violated the Budapest Agreement, the 1975 Helsinki Agreement, Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty and violated Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, a central tenet of the charter that requires UN member states to refrain from the “use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.”
That's why Finland applied for NATO membership, the fact that Russia cannot be trusted to uphold its agreements.
That is is a good one just spit my coffee out.
No I don’t trust our own govt they have proven they can’t be, but what part of the Russian government’s words or actions are even remotely trustworthy?
Russians do not trust the West because of crazy, over the top Russian controlled state media.
State Duma member Vyacheslav Nikonov—the grandson of Vyacheslav Molotov of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact—said that the U.S. and NATO are the Fourth Reich.
Heck, I trust “the West” even less than Russia. “The West” has decayed to the rule of street thugs.
And we westerners don’t trust a pedophile like Scott Ritter.
Not trusting our own government does not equate to a trust in the Russian government or any other government.
You only need to go back about two centuries and most women were married at 15 or 16 and an unmarried 18 year old girl was viewed as an old maid.
This is a lie.
Artillery shells were found with chemical agent on them. Yellowcake was found. Also GEN Franks commented on seeing a convoy heading towards Syria about 3 days before ODS. Wonder what they were transporting, hmmm?
That public masturbator? I don’t support the war in Ukraine, but he is not worth listening to.
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