Posted on 03/29/2023 8:31:18 AM PDT by Mariner
WASHINGTON – U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson this week expressed doubts over the impact of continued U.S. assistance to Ukraine in its fight against Russia, calling the war unwinnable for either side and suggesting the warring nations need to negotiate an end to the conflict.
“At some point people are going to have to understand the reality of the situation,” the Wisconsin Republican told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. “I don’t see a scenario, and I’ve asked — I mean, where is there a path to victory from our standpoint? All I see is a grinding stalemate that day-by-day more people get killed and more of Ukraine gets destroyed.”
Johnson said the war is a “lose-lose-lose for everybody” and added: “Nobody can win at this point. They should start negotiating.”
The comments come as Republicans have become increasingly divided on whether to continue providing financial aid and military equipment to help Ukraine defend itself against the Russian invasion. Much of the dissent has spawned from a far-right faction of House Republicans who have derided Washington’s spending on the war and called for a “peace agreement.”
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Rank and file GOP is opposed by a 2-1 margin.
The politicians are just catching up.
In before the usual suspects accuse Johnson of being a Russian agent.....
amen to common sense
Either Ukraine negotiates now, or later when the the US cuts them off.
Their choice.
Only Ukrainian partisans care either way.
“In before the usual suspects accuse Johnson of being a Russian agent.....”
Note that the story doesn’t mention his MIDDLE NAME. So here’s his full name:
Ron Putin Johnson.
Does that answer your claim?
The Senator is right. Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet.
- The crisis in Ukraine is the West’s fault.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24483306
- The history of the U.S. in Ukraine since WWII
https://mronline.org/2023/01/04/on-the-influence-of-neo-nazism-in-ukraine/
- The continued quest to move Ukraine out of the Russian sphere and into the orbit of Western nations has been the major irritant to Putin. When East and West Germany reunited (with resultant NATO expansion), the U.S. and other Western committed that NATO would not expand eastward into areas such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland.
“Thus, Gorbachev went to the end of the Soviet Union assured that the West was not threatening his security and was not expanding NATO.”
- Dr. John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the Ukrainian crisis
The political scientist believes the reckless expansion of NATO provoked Russia
- along comes Bill Clinton, who pushes NATO expansion into Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland and the Bear is further provoked.
- Obama stages coup in Ukraine 2014, which removed a duly elected president.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
- Following the coup, the Ukrainian army proceeds to murder thousands of ethnic Russians in the eastern Donbass region, despite the Minsk Agreement and other attempts at peace.
https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
- surprise surprise Biden presses NATO expansion into Ukraine with further provocations by Sweden and Finland joining NATO, which is currently under way.
- Biden destroys the Nordstream 2 pipeline and blames it on Russia. The first time the U.S. has attacked the major infrastructure of an ally (Germany). A further major provocation.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
- Would we accept Chinese military bases along our borders with the potential for nukes? This is what Putin was forced to deal with when Biden threatened NATO expansion into Ukraine and other countries.
- Russia, China, and a number of other major nations refuse to participate in the western (U.S. led) globalism movement. Putin is standing in the way. Is the U.S. on the right side of this war? Depends on the color of your sunglasses. Whatever the case, let there be no doubt we (the U.S.) crapped the mess kit on this one.
Good thing we spent over $100 billion in the Ukraine... just to be in a worse negotiating position than before Biden and his nasty neocons cancelled the initial negotiations.
The best part we thrashed the energy sector and the global economy at large... because evil morons.
They should pay, seriously, for this. War criminals who, secretly, without consent, blow up international infrastructure - like pipelines.
In! Before a Zeeper comes out for gay pride month by saying “Pooty Poot!”
Where is the fainting couch?
Lock up Vicky Nuland.
It's called #UkraineFirst.
Let Russia have Ukraine. They deserve it.
Let China take Taiwan. We have no business interfering in an internal issue with China.
Let Afghanistan live their lives like they have for thousands of years, and only go back in when they execute their next 9/11.
Let Baghdad go their own way. We don’t belong there.
Let Iran build their A-bomb and let them do whatever they wish with their neighbors. We can’t be bothered by what they do.
The Chinese want to replace the U.S. as the leading world power and wish to control what happens in Africa and S. America, but we can’t be bothered by what China wants to do or what those African nations and S. American nations wantto do. None of our business.
In fact, we should pull out of Europe and Asia and allow those areas to decide their own future. We don’t belong anywhere except, perhaps the U.S., and if China wants Hawaii, let them have it since, Hawaii is socialist anyway.
And, if the whole world wants to come in through our borders, why should we stop them? This is a free country.
Death and destruction because China Joe couldn’t negotiate.
Regardless of one’s views on Russia vs Ukraine - his claim that the war is “unwinnable for either side” is demonstrably false. The reality is - the war could be ended relatively quickly - but none have the backbone to do it.
I think a factor as big as any is that the Russians have lost any reason to negotiate. Our arms shipments and provocations make stop at the Dnieper river unwise for the Russians while Ukraine rearms from the west. Give their enemy ten years
to build their army up for another go? Hardly.
Ukraine is the one on the ropes, and the Russians may just go for Odessa too.
That must be sarcasm for stupid people.
Interesting source list - sadly the argument is weakened when the whole “nazi” flag keeps getting waved - It isn’t just Ukraine with a “nazi problem”, but much of Europe and yes, Russia has a massive nazi problem. That is a rather dead flag to wave - when Nazis are prevalent on all sides...
Isolationism did the US so much good in the early part of the previous century...
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