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Ukraine remains at heart of freedom’s future
The HIll ^ | 03/28/2023 | LAWRENCE J. HAAS

Posted on 03/28/2023 7:07:58 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: cymbeline

“Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is another “twilight struggle” for the United States and its allies against a coalescing of forces among Moscow and other leading autocratic regimes.”

Actually the so called “twilight struggle” is more likely the cause of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the coalescing of forces among Moscow and other leading autocratic regimes.

I don’t buy the neocon/lib BS that they are an innocent righteous party in the quest for world domination. They are very much aggressors too.


41 posted on 03/28/2023 8:04:39 AM PDT by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Freedom from the ones using them as canon fodder the last 8+ years.


42 posted on 03/28/2023 8:10:00 AM PDT by norsky ( <P> <a href= > <hi/a> <P><img src=" "width=500"></img>)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

A Bandera deifying nation, sloshing in complete corruption and neo-nazi politics, determined to ethnically cleanse the other half over offenses that happened 60-70 and 100 years ago, that cannot rip it’s mouth away from America’s national nipple. A nation that is by far the biggest lobbyist entity in DC, even far exceeding the Saudis. A nation that confiscates centuries old churches from the monks, bans all opposition parties, conducts random secret police summary executions of suspected doubters, and grabs men off the street to send to the front.....

That is the heart of freedom’s future. Got it...


43 posted on 03/28/2023 8:11:00 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Pollard; lump in the melting pot

44 posted on 03/28/2023 8:13:07 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: McGruff

I think Nuland ate a lot of those cookies herself. Look at that photo and then at a recent one!


45 posted on 03/28/2023 8:15:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Pollard

Given that the USA and UK (as well as Russia, Khazakhstan and Belarus) signed up to providing Ukraine with aid in the event that it got invaded by anybody, your GIF doesn’t really do anything more than prove the USA took its lasting treaty obligations seriously whether or not Russia does the same.

If the USA doesn’t like having its hands bound by a treaty, the USA can withdraw from it. It has done so on multiple occasions.

The USA didn’t withdraw from the Budapest Memorandum. Ask yourself why. My guess is, all the way from 1993 to 2014 the USA convinced itself that nobody would be stupid enough to attack a country that had three nuclear powers compelled by treaty to come to its defence... and forgot the Putin factor.

Putin doesn’t respect any international law, doesn’t accept any authority other than his own, and the UK and USA signatures on that agreement didn’t matter one bit to Putin once he got it into his head that Ukraine needed to be dragged by its ankles back into the orbit of Moscow.

Long before Maidan, Putin orchestrated the attempted assassination of Viktor Yushchenko for no reason other than he wanted to see Viktor Yanukovych INSTALLED as President without any challenge.

Yanukovych won the election without Putin’s help because, oddly enough, Ukraine didn’t see his being pro-Russian as a big enough problem to vote against him. But the sheer fact Putin tore up the Budapest agreement to make that move is what set the ball rolling. Ukraine turned against its eastern neighbor even more after Poland warned Kyiv in 2008 that whatever Putin was doing in Georgia, he’d soon be doing in Kyiv.

And the Polish warning was correct. Five years later, frustrated at having failed diplomatically to divert the eyes of the Azarov and Yanukovych government from the general direction of the European Union, Putin somehow managed to get both of them to completely U-turn on their pro-EU stance and toe the Kremlin line.

He didn’t do that with a charm offensive. Either he put the frighteners on them, or they sold out.

Russia doesn’t feel at all bound to its commitments under the Belovezha, Minsk and Budapest agreements and thought that the ability of Ukraine to call on others to aid it if invaded would fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately for Russia, the UK and USA take their treaty obligations far too seriously to ignore that call - and most of eastern Europe, despite not being signatories themselves - stepped up too.

Patrushev’s gone on the record (again) confirming that Russia’s really got a bee in its bonnet about the cultural capital America enjoys across Europe (without pointing out that this is largely with the consent of Europe, though) and the USA sidelining Russia. In his opinion, the Russia that has nothing going for it that Europe wants other than oil, gas and grain is going to be as influential in Europe as the Russian Empire and Soviet Union were.

https://vk.com/@580896205-patrushev-interview-with-rossiyskaya-gazeta-27-march

“The U.S. dominates Europe, ignoring the fact that Russia has historically played a leading role on the continent. In the XIX century - the Russian Empire, in the XX century - the Soviet Union. So it will be in the twenty-first century.”

Tell me, in all seriousness, would you like the sound of that if you’d grown up in the shadow of the Soviet Union? Most of eastern Europe has been listening to this kind of bullshit for twenty years and it took the invasion of Ukraine by Russia in 2014 to wake the USA and UK up to the possibility that Putin wasn’t just a sad old butt-hurt Soviet nostalgia freak, whistling Dixie.

Putin wasn’t bluffing when he said he viewed NATO expansion as a threat to Russia. But he was also saying, the real reason he sees it that way is because he had this wonderful fantasy of having Soviet tanks back in Berlin, and he really hated having the US and EU NATO umbrellas getting in the way of him realising that dream.


46 posted on 03/28/2023 8:22:21 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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@GraphicW5

“The largest fights are going on in and around Bahkmut now...

PMC “Wagner” defeated the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Bakhmut

The situation in Bakhmut has reached its climax. Fierce battles are being fought in the city, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to counterattack and regain lost positions, but such attempts are immediately suppressed by “musicians,”
@wargonzo
writes.

The video shows one of these counterattacks. A column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from pickups, reinforced by an infantry fighting vehicle and a tank, was destroyed by powerful artillery fire from the Wagnerites.”

https://twitter.com/GraphicW5/status/1640727564556681217?s=20


47 posted on 03/28/2023 8:35:50 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Zelensky has banned opposition parties, media outlets and churches. He's imprisoned opposition leaders.

Ukraine is one of, if not the most, corrupt nation in Europe. It is the epicenter of neo-Nazism in the world.

And, the moron that wrote this believes it is a role model of freedom?

Yet, there are neocon numbskulls here that really believe that.

48 posted on 03/28/2023 8:51:04 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Pollard
since the war started in 2014

Nice catch.
49 posted on 03/28/2023 9:00:55 AM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: ChicagoConservative27; All

Sane realists do not givva sh!t about Ukraine.

Emoting neocons and do-gooder liberals do. Thus they spew nonstop hyperbolic BS.


50 posted on 03/28/2023 9:17:22 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“The global struggle for democracy approached a possible turning point in 2022...”

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If “democracy” is what we have in the West, then let’s trade it in for a better form of government because it sucks.


51 posted on 03/28/2023 9:41:22 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: lump in the melting pot

your fixation on homosexuality is indicative of some kind of personal issue?

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What are you talkin about? Western culture is obsessed with homosexuality and transgenderism. You can’t watch TV or movies without having it thrown in your face.


52 posted on 03/28/2023 9:55:49 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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