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Video shows sparks and flames well before Ohio train derailment
CBS News via NSN ^ | Feb. 13, 2023 | CBS News

Posted on 02/14/2023 2:24:38 PM PST by libstripper

deo is raising questions for people in East Palestine, Ohio, CBS Pittsburgh reports.

The video, which captured the train 20 miles before it reached the site where it derailed, is raising questions about when the crew knew there was a problem.

The video, obtained by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, was taken by a security camera at an equipment plant in Salem, Ohio. What appears to be sparks and flames can be seen in the video under one of the train cars as it passes the plant. The National Transportation Safety Board referenced the video at a news conference last week.

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KEYWORDS: derailment; eastpalestine; hotbox; negligence; norfolksouthern; ohio; trainderailment
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Looks like the train was stopped by emergency braking, causing the rear cars to try to pass the front ones. Sort of like hitting a large, solid object with a motorcycle and going flying over the handlebars.
1 posted on 02/14/2023 2:24:38 PM PST by libstripper
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Well, you couldn’t definitely see the flames in the video, and that may have been what made them break.I wonder if there was a malfunction or sabotage. 20 miles is quite a distance, although I’m sure it takes miles to stop a loaded train.


2 posted on 02/14/2023 2:29:29 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Sorry, you COULD see the flames.


3 posted on 02/14/2023 2:29:49 PM PST by livius
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To: libstripper

Sabotage of the brakes?


4 posted on 02/14/2023 2:30:01 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: libstripper

What? The Putz-Gazzette is actually reporting this?


5 posted on 02/14/2023 2:32:27 PM PST by DallasBiff (Kamala is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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It looked like the fire was there on the track before the car that it set on fire. ?? I’m here to learn.


6 posted on 02/14/2023 2:34:19 PM PST by gloryblaze
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To: libstripper

RE: flying over the handlebars.

Great anti-gay scene in Diamonds Are Forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNs497WkBQ


7 posted on 02/14/2023 2:37:31 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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Brake and bearing failures are the usual problems. There are hotbox/hotwheel sensors but I don't know how widely deployed they are. Or if deployed, if they are maintained.

It's an age old problem for railroads.

8 posted on 02/14/2023 2:43:05 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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“ It looked like the fire was there on the track before the car that it set on fire. ?? I’m here to learn.”
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Hard to tell. The “fire” or whatever clearly seemed to be coming from under one of the cars and travelled along with that car. I heard it described as a “HOT WHEEL INCIDENT” at the linked site. If the crew was alerted to it they should have stopped the train immediately.


9 posted on 02/14/2023 2:44:50 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: frank ballenger
Ever read Goldfinger? Explicitly "homophobic." Bond ruminates that, while he doesn't hate homosexuals, he feels sorry for them. Broken people. Something went wrong in their childhood.

He also converts Pussy Galore from lesbian to straight. All she needed was a real man.

This is hinted at in the movie, but explicit in the book.

10 posted on 02/14/2023 2:47:42 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: frank ballenger
Oh yeah, Colonel Kleb is portrayed as a disgustingly ugly and predatory lesbian in From Russia, With Love. Again, hinted in the film, explicit in the book.

Several other "homophobic" insinuations in the Bond books. But Goldfinger is the most "homophobic," as Bond himself reveals his disgust at them.

11 posted on 02/14/2023 2:50:22 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

The Norfolk Southern line near me has “hot box detectors” about every 10 miles. Dragging equipment detectors less frequently. They automatically report milepost, track number, number of axles, and any defects via radio.


12 posted on 02/14/2023 2:53:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (/s)
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They use to have a Caboose with a BRAKEMAN just for watching for this very thing...sometimes the old way is the best solution


13 posted on 02/14/2023 2:57:45 PM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Angelino97

Good points, all.

Remember Honor Blackmun who turned from disdainful to passionate and helped Bond after all. After saying she was immune.
“I think I appealed to her——maternal instincts.”


14 posted on 02/14/2023 2:58:00 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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I remember sixty years ago when KCS trains would accidentally set the grass along the tracks on fire with sparks thrown from the wheels. We almost lost our house a few times from fires. It seems to be a lot less now as they do maintain the tracks much better.


15 posted on 02/14/2023 2:58:34 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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Thanks for that interesting update on the hotbox detectors. Yes, they will definitely be part of the investigation. Equipment is always at the mercy of vandals and he weather.

16 posted on 02/14/2023 3:02:51 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Robe
They use to have a Caboose with a BRAKEMAN just for watching for this very thing...sometimes the old way is the best solution

That's what my grandpa did for forty years until he retired. This was in west Texas.
17 posted on 02/14/2023 3:05:18 PM PST by jy8z (Everything you think, do and say is from the pill you took today.)
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To: Angelino97

You’re right. I never said the most or the pinnacle of the anti-gay scenes.

And I traded obscure references and quotes with my buddy at work. He was the winner usually but didn’t “have a life” as William Shatner would have advised him to get. Sort of like Tony DiNozzo character on NCIS.

I started reading the books when I read in Time Magazine that John F. Kennedy liked them. Saw Goldfinger for 50 cents (2nd run theater so it wasn’t 75 cents). Crowd did giggle when they heard Galore’s name. Note: JFK, Ian Fleming, Roger Moore and I are all Geminis.


18 posted on 02/14/2023 3:05:54 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: libstripper

First, go to MSN to help them pay their bills.


19 posted on 02/14/2023 3:10:08 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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“I wonder if there was a malfunction or sabotage”

It’s a “hotbox”, something as old as railroading. An axle bearing overheats to the point that it creates a fire.

One reason that trains used to have cabooses was to watch for hotboxes. Today railroads use automated defect detectors that are supposed to alert crews to overheating axles.

But there’s a new problem that’s been created by a data driven innovation called Precision Scheduled Railroading. PSR has enabled extremely long trains with smaller crews, which to bean counters is perfect. But it’s also changed the way that trains are assembled, which has created an inherently dangerous situation that leads to derailments.

Before PSR trains could be assembled with heavy cars up front and lighter cars at the end. If you don’t do that you end up with heavy loads behind lighter cars, and when the train applies its brakes heavier cars can shove lighter ones off of the rails. Inertia at work.

But PSR treats cars like they are computer digits, it’s interested in destination and pays little or no attention to weight distribution. Combine that with massively longer and heavier trains and you have created a recipe for disaster. Railroad workers have warned about this but no one pays them any attention. It’s the usual situation of regarding the worker bees as if they are idiots. We can expect more derailment disasters until the problems created by PSR are addressed.


20 posted on 02/14/2023 3:13:06 PM PST by Pelham (Never Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley)
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