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Factoring Criteria for Firearms With Attached “Stabilizing Braces” [Published today in Federal Register]
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| January 31, 2023
| ATF
Posted on 01/31/2023 8:11:08 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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Clock starts now to either register your pistols with braces or remove the brace permanently.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:11:08 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
To: Yo-Yo
Registration?
Pound sand!
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:12:52 AM PST
by
bk1000
(Banned from Breitbart)
To: Yo-Yo
Not even sure removing them works: once attached, it may magically become a short-barreled rifle forever, just like an AR lower once designated a pistol is forever a pistol.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:16:49 AM PST
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
To: Yo-Yo
they go back on as easy as they come off...
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:21:59 AM PST
by
Chode
(there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
To: pierrem15
Not even sure removing them works: once attached, it may magically become a short-barreled rifle forever, just like an AR lower once designated a pistol is forever a pistol. It's all in the published rule. The rule has been out for two weeks, we've just been waiting for it to be published in the Federal Register to know when the clock starts.
You have 120 days from today to either fill out a special Form 1 to register your braced pistol(s) as Short Barreled Rifles (SBRs,) and the ATF will waive the $200 tax, or to remove the brace and alter the weapon so the brace cannot be reattached (usually by replacing a carbine buffer tube with a pistol buffer tube on an AR style pistol.)
I'd do nothing yet, because now that the rule has been published, the lawsuits and preliminary injunction requests can now be filed.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:22:40 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: Yo-Yo
To: bk1000
Registration? Pound sand!
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:25:43 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: pierrem15
I' was incorrect: the FR claims if you remove the items during the grace period, it's not an SBR any longer.
I looked at the Form 4999. There's a long list of characteristics and if you get only 4 points out of about 40 max, it's an SBR. Ludicrous.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:26:59 AM PST
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
To: Yo-Yo
Didn’t this just get ruled unconstitutional?
To: Yo-Yo
Yes: the more gonzo the BATFE goes after stuff like pistol braces and bump-stocks and impossible wait times for suppressors, the more people are simply going to ignore the NFA completely. So more and more SBRs and full-auto weapons will be out there, the exact opposite of what the claimed goal is.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:29:31 AM PST
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
To: pierrem15
I looked at the Form 4999. There's a long list of characteristics and if you get only 4 points out of about 40 max, it's an SBR. Ludicrous. DANGER, WARNING, CAUTION: The ATF final rule does not use that proposed ATF Form 4999, so there is no 'point' system! If it has a brace, it is an SBR, even though they say they're not outlawing braces or the use of braces.
If it has surface area that can rest on the shoulder, it is an SBR. If the braced pistol has a scope with short eye relief such that you cannot use it at arm's length, it is an SBR.
Just about ANY PISTOL with a brace is now considered an SBR, so your only two choices (barring any legal actin) is to permanently remove the brace and modify the pistol such that the brace cannot be reattached, or register it as an NFA Short Barrel Rifle, and the ATF will waive the $200 "tax" during the 120 day amnesty period.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:35:15 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: DrGunsforHands
Didn’t this just get ruled unconstitutional? The rule was published today, so there hasn't been any lawsuits yet. But they are coming, rest assured.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:36:09 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
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To: pierrem15
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-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:36:51 AM PST
by
gundog
(It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
To: DrGunsforHands
That was the bump-stock rule.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:38:08 AM PST
by
gundog
(It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
To: gundog
Then installing a bump stock on my .45 is legal? Good to know!
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:46:28 AM PST
by
MeganC
(There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
To: PROCON
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:47:40 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: MeganC
Then installing a bump stock on my .45 is legal? Good to know! Not quite yet. All appeals haven't been exhausted yet.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:48:44 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:54:19 AM PST
by
PROCON
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: gundog
The Most sensible 👌.
Absolutely.
To: MeganC
Ya got an AR-45? So long as it has a 16” barrel, or you’ve got the SBR stamp, you should be good. There’s something to be said for an AR-15x3.
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posted on
01/31/2023 8:55:31 AM PST
by
gundog
(It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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