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Avoiding a Long War - U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict (Russia is winning, US needs off ramp)
RAND CORP (that's right) ^

Posted on 01/29/2023 8:50:51 AM PST by BusterDog

Discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war in Washington is increasingly dominated by the question of how it might end. To inform this discussion, this Perspective identifies ways in which the war could evolve and how alternative trajectories would affect U.S. interests. The authors argue that, in addition to minimizing the risks of major escalation, U.S. interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict. The costs and risks of a long war in Ukraine are significant and outweigh the possible benefits of such a trajectory for the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at rand.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commietrolls4putin; notourwar; putinisgay; soviettrollsonfr; zotsoviettrolls
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… All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

1 posted on 01/29/2023 8:50:51 AM PST by BusterDog
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Well considering NeoCon’s track record over the last few decades my guess : it ends with America pissing away a lot of money and everything worse off than when we started


2 posted on 01/29/2023 8:52:31 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: escapefromboston

“Well considering NeoCon’s track record over the last few decades my guess : it ends with America pissing away a lot of money and everything worse off than when we started”

******

Chaos, death, destruction, and the plundering of the nation’s treasure.


3 posted on 01/29/2023 8:55:02 AM PST by BusterDog
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To: BusterDog

“RAND CORP (that’s right)”

I read the title, then read the source. Your “(that’s right)” was exactly right because I was a little shocked when I saw the source.


4 posted on 01/29/2023 8:56:23 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: BusterDog

1st nothing in the summary of the article states that Russia is winning.

You added that.


5 posted on 01/29/2023 8:56:56 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BusterDog

Peace is not what Eisenhower called “Military Industrial Complex” wants.


6 posted on 01/29/2023 8:57:35 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well those that did not make it back.)
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To: BusterDog

Who the h*ll knows who is winning???? In here, you hear one then the other...Over and over and over, ad infinitum....


7 posted on 01/29/2023 8:58:28 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: BusterDog

The Rand Corporation might as well move out of DC and to Idaho or somewhere else because the NEOCONS, with their M1’s and now F-16s going to Ukraine have NO INTENTION of stopping their war against Russia until DC is blown off the map, and even then they’ll try to keep fighting with whatever is left of what was the United States. Then, in Idaho, perhaps Rand can reflect on their part of what was done to the United States.

But what the hell, it will ‘teach Putin a lesson’, assuming our missiles get past their S-400s on those Moscow rooftops.


8 posted on 01/29/2023 9:00:25 AM PST by BobL
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To: Williams

“1st nothing in the summary of the article states that Russia is winning.”

****

Russia is winning. At least 100,000 less Ukes would be dead if the gov wasn’t successful in propagandizing you people.


9 posted on 01/29/2023 9:00:27 AM PST by BusterDog
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To: escapefromboston

The neocon track record includes the elimination and disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Turning almost all of Eastern Europe and central Europe into nato allies.

Containment of China through strong alliances with Japan Australia and others. The preservation of Taiwan.

Defeat of Al-Qaeda.

Iraq is now a democracy.

Little things like that.


10 posted on 01/29/2023 9:00:34 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BusterDog

Our “off ramp” thus far is hundreds of billions flushed with a ruined economy and smashed energy sector.

Our next off ramp is nuclear war and starvation events.

But we keep listening to the same neocon TRASH that’s bankrupting us and losing every war they start.

We should be DRAGGING them, but just watch them fleece our children and kill our nation.


11 posted on 01/29/2023 9:01:19 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: escapefromboston

Short wars are an illusion.
A lesson the Russians should have learned in Afghanistan.
A lesson the Americans should have learned in Vietnam
and Afghanistan.
Still it’s an attractive proposition that finds gullible
adherents. It’s a societal pitcher plant.
How this one will conclude has yet to be determined...


12 posted on 01/29/2023 9:07:09 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BusterDog

Let’s next look at what you consider to be defeats suffered by neocons.

Vietnam war completely won and peace agreement signed. Democrat leftists in Congress abandoned our ally to an invasion.

Insane withdrawal and abandonment of Afghanistan by leftist Biden administration.

Encouragement of Russian attacks on Ukraine by leftist Obama and Biden administrations.

Improper withdrawal from Iraq by leftist Obama administration.

Weakening of US military by leftist Obama and Biden administrations.

Collapse of Libya and abandonment of our embassy by leftist Obama administration and Hillary Clinton.

One gets very tired of the childish lies thrown around by people who understand nothing about history.

Most of you have now become the immoral and illogical left of the 1960s.


13 posted on 01/29/2023 9:07:34 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

I’m more interested in America’s well being than a foreign country.


14 posted on 01/29/2023 9:08:18 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: BusterDog

I don’t believe for a minute that the billions we spent benefited the Ukraine’s war effort. It enriched the oligarchs and corrupt politicians, and I am certain the big guy got his cut.


15 posted on 01/29/2023 9:09:19 AM PST by Spok (They lie, we know they lie, and they know that we know they are lying. And still they lie.)
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To: Williams

China is not “contained” in the least and only a moron would claim that it was. The ChiComs have hollowed out American industry, corrupted and co-opted our leadership, and have expanded their military capability exponentially.


17 posted on 01/29/2023 9:12:00 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: BusterDog

Need longer war. More money needs to be made first.


18 posted on 01/29/2023 9:12:11 AM PST by Sir Bangaz Cracka (Poor 'lil Travon bees slamming dat white cracka'a head into dat sidewalk causin he be scared)
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To: Williams

Thanks for admitting you’re a neocon trashbag, and that your name is basically MUDD here.

I’ma save this one - so you can’t lie or have any senior moments.


19 posted on 01/29/2023 9:12:54 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Spok

Russia not only isn’t winning, but has been thrown back by massive counter attacks.

But a great muggle like you has figured out that our military aid has not been of a tiny bit of benefit even.

Please let us know your brand of peyote because I can’t make up facts as good as you.


20 posted on 01/29/2023 9:14:02 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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