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Ukraine-Russia war: Germany agrees to send 2 battalions of Leopard 2 tanks after heavy pressure
Fox News ^ | Jan 25, 2024 | Caitlin McFall

Posted on 01/25/2023 4:51:54 AM PST by tlozo

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz formally announced Wednesday that after weeks of stalling and frustrating negotiations Berlin has agreed to send two battalions of Leopard 2 A6 tanks to Ukraine.

In a statement the government said it would initially send one company of 14 tanks to Kyiv, though its aim is to send up to 88 tanks from its own stockpiles.

Scholz said, "This decision follows our well-known line of supporting Ukraine to the best of our ability. We are acting in a closely coordinated manner internationally."

Some 15 other EU nations that possess the German-made tanks in their own stocks and had increased the pressure on Berlin in recent weeks to approve re-exports to Ukraine as the war nears the 12-month mark.

"Germany will issue the appropriate transfer permits to partner countries that want to quickly deliver Leopard 2 tanks from their stocks to Ukraine," confirmed the Wednesday statement.

It is unclear when the tanks from Germany or allied nations will be in Ukraine, though the statement said training Ukrainian troops in Germany would begin "quickly."...

Defense officials have said it makes better sense to employ Ukraine with the German-made tanks as there are "thousands" of them throughout Europe and training along with maintenance is far more manageable than on the more advanced Abrams tanks.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banderanazis; didnazithiscoming; germanblitzkrieg; germanwaronrussia; ididnazithiscoming; leopard2; naziinvasion; operationbarbarossa; russia; thebozo; thebozobot; theusualdumbspects; ukraine; war
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Leopard 2 A7V heavy battle tank


1 posted on 01/25/2023 4:51:54 AM PST by tlozo
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Sweden’s Defense Minister Pål Jonson stated this morning that Sweden might send its Stridsvagn 122 tanks (modernized Leopard 2A5s) to Ukraine.
2 posted on 01/25/2023 4:53:44 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
El Mundo reports that Spain may send 53 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.
3 posted on 01/25/2023 4:54:39 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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Good! But the Ukrainian must maintain and repair them. This is a test.


4 posted on 01/25/2023 4:54:41 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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...if the U.S. sends the Ukes any Abrams tanks, it will be necessary to send U.S. troops to train the Ukes and teach them how to maintain these somewhat complicated beasts...there will be American casualties, I fear...


5 posted on 01/25/2023 5:00:40 AM PST by TokarevM57 (u)
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BOOM!

Tanks gone -- just like the 1000's of tanks the Ukes lost in the last year.


6 posted on 01/25/2023 5:03:36 AM PST by icclearly
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To: dennisw
Good! But the Ukrainian must maintain and repair them. This is a test.

If they are anything like other German vehicles, they should run okay, but the Ukrainians better equip them all with rolls of black electrical tape to cover the "Check Engine" and other warning lights.

7 posted on 01/25/2023 5:04:50 AM PST by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” ("Every nation has the government it deserves.”) )
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To: TokarevM57

Abrams won’t show up for a long time. They could be shipped over, but they cannot be supported (by anyone). The US needs to build a logistical supply chain for these things. That will take serious time and we won’t put the Abrams in the field without it. So this is (to some extent) political signalling that helps justify Germany in freeing the Leopards. Their tanks will be on the field soon. Ours will not.


8 posted on 01/25/2023 5:09:44 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Government always tries to steal freedom; People should always try to stop Government.)
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To: tlozo

This is the second time Germany has declared war on Russia, and the results will be the same. Germans are so very dopey in matters of war.


9 posted on 01/25/2023 5:10:07 AM PST by JonPreston
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“...there will be American casualties, I fear...”

This has been discussed at length. My understanding is that if there are westerners in Ukraine, they will be contractors and not US military. Trust me on this, these contractors will be making many times their normal salary. Also, they will likely be well behind the lines. If I had the correct skills and fewer years on the clock I’d consider going.

I think the difference between a Lepard and a T-72 is similar to the difference between, say, a ‘56 Studebaker and an eighties Ford race car. Everything should be sort of similar and there will be a lot of plug and play modules that will get shot-gunned during the repair process. The Ukrainians, if they have enough spare parts will do okay.

Also, is anyone sending bridge equipment and recovery vehicles? The Ukrainian bridges are rated for 45 tons and the tanks are 55 tons. And, if one gets stuck the Ukrainians likely have no way to move them.


10 posted on 01/25/2023 5:11:14 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: icclearly

Ukraine, since day one, has generally refused to get into a tank-versus-tank strategy. They optimized on anti-tank weapons, and getting the Russian tanks into situations where refueling simply wasn’t going to occur.

No one has an accurate count of either side on lost tanks...it’s safe to say Russia has lost a minimum of a thousand tanks (probably not the 2,000 that some suggest). The Russian figure on Ukrainian lost tanks is a comedy act, with claims of three times the inventory on day one....doesn’t sell.

If Russia was planning big on a spring offensive (invasion #2)...they are in a much weaker position because of tank losses. Logistically, there’s no advantage for the Russians anymore.


11 posted on 01/25/2023 5:12:34 AM PST by pepsionice
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e necessary to send U.S. troops to train the Ukes and teach them how to maintain these somewhat complicated beasts...there will be American casualties, I fear...

Training can be done in Poland.

12 posted on 01/25/2023 5:13:25 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: JonPreston

Russia continues to super militarize Ukraine.


13 posted on 01/25/2023 5:19:33 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: tlozo

With Polish training, the Russians have absolutely nothing to fear.


14 posted on 01/25/2023 5:21:32 AM PST by JonPreston
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German Tanks emblazoned with the Iron Cross rolling across Ukraine to take on Russian Tanks, haven’t we seen this movie before ??

We’ll soon find out if history does in fact repeat itself.


15 posted on 01/25/2023 5:22:08 AM PST by srmanuel (t)
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What difference would it make to the war?

Yohann Michel, a research analyst for defense and military affairs at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said such tanks could allow Ukraine to go onto the offensive in the 11-month-old conflict that has been stalemated for months following two key Ukrainian counteroffensives that recaptured areas occupied by Russian forces for months in the northeast and south.

“In this type of conflict, it's just not possible to carry out large-scale offensives without the full variety of armored combat equipment and armored vehicles, and tanks are a part of that," he said. In addition to Main Battle Tanks, or MBTs, like the Leopard 2, others include infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

Western deliveries of Leopard 2s could help equip Ukraine with needed high-caliber munitions to replace its own dwindling Soviet-era stockpiles, opening a new avenue for supplies of Western firepower to get to Ukraine, he said.

Raths noted that the Leopard 2 and similar Western tanks are more agile than T-models used by Russia, which can't reverse at speed, for example.

“Imagine a boxer who cannot move freely in the ring, but only in one direction,” he said. “The other boxer, who can move in all directions, has a big advantage and that it is the case with the Leopards.”

Still, even Western MBTs are vulnerable to aerial attacks, or anti-tank infantry while in forests and urban areas, highlighting the importance of anti-aircraft and reconnaissance support, said Raths.

With similar numbers of tanks on both sides, Leopards 2 and similar tanks could give Ukraine the upper hand, especially given the poor tactical performance of Russian troops during the war, he said.

“The Ukrainians shine through creative, dynamic and often very clean warfare,” Raths said. “So it could well be that if Ukraine's operational offensive were to begin, the Russians would have real problems countering it.”

https://www.outlookindia.com/international/explained-what-is-leopard-2-tank-what-difference-would-it-make-to-ukraine-war--news-256197

16 posted on 01/25/2023 5:23:43 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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“This is the second time Germany has declared war on Russia”

Pretty ignorant of history aren’t you? Or does your world begin in 1939?


17 posted on 01/25/2023 5:25:12 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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“Training can be done in Poland.”

Likely that, or we just fly them to Fort Benning.


18 posted on 01/25/2023 5:27:15 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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Does history escape you Europeans, or does Germany’s war-like belligerence leak out?


19 posted on 01/25/2023 5:31:19 AM PST by JonPreston
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“If you don’t send MBTs to Ukraine, we’ll blow another one of your pipelines, SUCKA!” - Uncle Sammy (Gravano)


20 posted on 01/25/2023 5:32:11 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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