What is Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Freeper name? His tell is using the word “clowns”. We have lots of Freepers who sound similar. He is Putin’s chef but does he know how to make an everything bagel? Or cook goulash? Or pierogi?
Hi Dennis,
This could get fun. Maybe they could destroy each other LOL
What do you think would happen is putin is taken out or locked up?
Clowns is the technical name for the CIA. Since before they offed JFK and took pictures of Hoover getting bummed by his deputy secretary while wearing high heels these people have had to depart this earth el rapido. No greater nexus of villainy on earth.
He is kind of right. His Wagner group is the only Russian fighting force of decent quality. The rest does not care.
But he may be playing with fire. Attacking the deep state is always a risky proposition.
Putin is his only friend, attaching him makes Prigoshin pretty vulnerable.
The Wagner group are seasoned veterans. If the premise came to save Mother Russia, I believe their zealotry will become a focused fury, that Mssr. Putin’s houseguards would not endure.
That sort of thing would make “the days of Yeltsin” appear to be a high school rendition of ‘Richard III’.
Everyone should understand that Prigozhin is not just some guy with an army - he’s backed by the FSB. He and D. Utkin (Wagner) control vast amounts of natural resources around the world, principally in Africa.
Short bios:
Yevgeny Prigozhin:
Oligarch, part of Putin inner circle. Was a caterer to Russian government and military. When he saw people caught up in arrest and were mercenaries, it looked bad for Russia as mercenaries are disliked. Saw an opportunity; he was party of the Russian security apparatus, FSB and so on, so he took over the group as a manager/owner to develop them as a business, and as a external part of the RGF that could be sent to places the RGF could not, and do dirty jobs: Syria, Central Africa, Mozambique, Mali, Libya, Sudan. In that way the Group became selfish-financing and is not a drain on the Russian military or economy, but actually adds to Russia power and influence.
He would earn a lot of money with this new business. Along the way, he also got parts of valuable natural resource extraction operations like uranium, gold and diamond mines, oil production companies. He then used the money to help Russian political leaders to project their power and the power of the Russian state around the world. oil rigs, refineries etc. When, after fighting in Syria, they returned to Russia all of them were arrested.
*Dmitriy Valeryevich Utkin:
One of the members of the Slavic Corps born 1970 Soviet Union, Ukraine. Served in 2nd Special Forces Brigade, fought in both Chechen wars.
2nd Special Forces Brigade was organized on an as needed basis - not as a formal military unit. His group was designated 700th Independent Spetsnaz Detachment. Retired in 2013 as a Lt. Col. He then joined the security group to earn money which is the typical path for retired military.
When Utkin & Prigozhin returned to Russia, they were arrested - the point was to take them into the GRU, then they were released after bring taken into the GRU.
Utkin became the director of the group’s military operations, based in Moltino Crimea 30km from Krasnodar. Started with 1500 people initially based on size of Special Operations (Spetsnaz) Brigades. Recruited troops who had specialized, valuable skills. Quality over quantity
Called ‘Wagner’ because that is Utkin’s operational nom de guerre - nick name. First operation was taking of Crimea. Next step was the invasion of the Donbas region, which opened the door for this war. After that, they took up operations in Syria. This was the group’s heyday, and grew a lot. A skirmish with US in Syria didn’t go well - fight over oil refinery controlled by US, cost them 200-300 troops. Utkin was promised third to half of profits.
As they took up other operations in Africa, they began to acquire more heavy weapons tanks, BMPs, aircraft, anti-air missile systems. Became a small-scale professional army with high morale, common sense driven, no bureaucracy. Moderately successful overall. Pay was 400,000 rubles (US$6,000 - $7,000) per month when they are fighting. Lots of Russians wanted to join, but still had stringent requirements.
When Ukraine war began, things changed. They expanded exponentially with estimates now 8,000 -10,000 people split into 4 groups in Ukraine. Requirements for recruits changed to anyone can apply as long as they have no murder convictions. Quality went down, but self-selects for people who want to fight. New recruits start in one of their other low intensity conflicts in Africa or there ME.
Once they get adjusted, they move up to fight in Ukraine. However, pay got lowered to Russian standard of 200,000 ruble when on the front line. Having no bureaucracy allows them to show initiative - what Russian Army lacks lower level, be more efficient and get better results.