Pence pushes back on Trump’s call to terminate the Constitution

The Hill ^ | 12/05/2022 | BRETT SAMUELS

[Golden Eagle]

I just can’t picture anyone giving this revolution a go.

We're only day 2 into the new matrix. Did Trump back down today, or double down?

[FreeReign]

“Lots of evidence was presented in State Legislatures”

No, it wasn’t. Five state reps yelling in the street doesn’t count. Please provide one example of an in-session State Legislature having one debate or hearing on this subject. You can’t, because none did. In fact Pennsylvania actually adjourned to prevent this from being brought to the floor.

November 25th, 2020, PA State Senate hearing at Gettysburg.

Nov 30th, 2020, AZ State Legislature hearing. (First of many AZ hearings including sponsoring the audits)

December 2nd, 2020, MI Statehouse hearing.

December 3rd, 2020, GA Senate hearings.

I watched the GA, MI and the AZ hearings. As I said, there was plenty of evidence that was presented at those legislature hearings.

You're probably confusing the votes for the slate of electors with what I was describing.

[Antoninus]

Man, Pence sure is brave when it comes to standing up with the UniParty and Big Media, isn’t he? Fascinating.

[Glad2bnuts]

Why isn’t “The Hill” restricted from this site as a source, like the DNC should be?

[FreeReign]

I know they were in a rush, but I watched the testimony in Georgia for days, none of that material ever made it into any sort of lawsuit from Trump.

As I said, they were denied evidentiary hearings in court.

He simply had Giuliani going around on a PR campaign from state to state, more than putting together any sort of actual legal cases.

Giuliani gave extensive evidence where he was allowed to give it, to the GA, MI, AZ and PA legislatures. Giuliani concentrated on the legislatures first because it was the legislatures that had the constitutional authority to pick the electors.

[PerConPat]

Yes...IMO, we can’t rely alone on an aspect of finally dealing with voting machine skulduggery, bloated voter rolls etc..The Rats are organized to a degree that ought to terrify conservatives. And I’m talking about schools, campuses, neighborhoods, polling places etc.. You nailed it: “We better get busy.”

[Machavelli]

Hey Mike, STFU!

[CatHerd]

Hmm. Let's put it all together, in order, shall we?

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“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” [Dec 03, 2022, 7:44 AM]

“UNPRECEDENTED FRAUD REQUIRES UNPRECEDENTED CURE!” [Dec 03, 2022, 3:44 PM]

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS. What I said was that when there is “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!” [Dec 05, 2022, 12:43 PM]

“SIMPLY PUT, IF AN ELECTION IS IRREFUTABLY FRAUDULENT, IT SHOULD GO TO THE RIGHTFUL WINNER OR, AT A MINIMUM, BE REDONE. WHERE OPEN AND BLATANT FRAUD IS INVOLVED, THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME LIMIT FOR CHANGE!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:06 PM]

“WE WANT PEOPLE WHO “LEGITIMATELY” WON THE ELECTION TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY, NOT PEOPLE WHO HAD TO CHEAT IN ORDER TO WIN!!!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:51 PM]
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Looks like doubling down to me.

[Golden Eagle]

As I said, they were denied evidentiary hearings in court.

Because, as I understand it and said, he couldn't demonstrate any damages, and therefore had no standing, but until after the election was completed declaring Biden the winner. This is why Kari Lake has been waiting to file her lawsuits alleging fraud (assuming she will), as she has been advised of that required order of events as well. But Trump never followed through with any lawsuits alleging fraud. That would have been the proper next course of action, not asking 2 years later that we forgo the Constitution.

Giuliani gave extensive evidence where he was allowed to give it, to the GA, MI, AZ and PA legislatures.

I saw those, and they were brief. As best as I can tell, none of those presentations were ever documented in printed form and provided to the public. Videos may exist, but are hard to find. Again, very brief, and nowhere near the level of evidence required in court.

I know these things because I wanted to build a list of the most damning election evidence right on my FR homepage. You can still see where I started that long ago, but when Trump abandoned the collection or presentation of it, everyone including me just gave up on it. Nothing has changed since then, as no one expects him to ever actually start listing specific evidence of potential election crimes at this point. And without even a good attempt at listing evidentiary proof of election fraud, any plans or desires to circumvent the Constitutional method of resolving this dispute are completely without merit.

[LilFarmer]

You are right. For those who argue that there was no evidence, here is a complete list of 2020 lawsuits - look at the majority of them were dismissed on procedural grounds.

For the cases heard in court, look how many were actually won based on merit.

https://election-integrity.info/2020_Election_Cases.htm

[dgbrown]

I leaned that way. He was a good follower, but he never backed Trump, but neither did any of the GOP.

[PerConPat]

UNPRECEDENTED FRAUD REQUIRES UNPRECEDENTED CURE!” [Dec 03, 2022, 3:44 PM]

I'm eager to hear the details of the "unprecedented cure".

[AnthonySoprano]

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I just wouldn’t be surprised.

Rumors from Indiana is he’s a weird dude.

He definitely had a back channel with Jeff Sessions and probably thought the AG was a way to get to Trump at one point.

[Salamander]

I thought pet snake owners would benefit from him owning a rat snake.

Turns out he was just channeling the serpent in the garden.

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