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To: Boogieman

100% true. Now the lawsuits begin. There was one County who did not certify. Cochise County. They have already had lawsuits dumped on them by the State, AG office and voters (probably Democrat) for disenfranchising them. You have to hand it to Democrats - they are always organized and prepared. Never us. I spoke to Kari Lake’s legal advisor during the break yesterday. He agreed that there is nothing we can do. He likened it to 2020 when Trump wanted Pence to not certify and throw it back to the States. In that situation Pence could have done that. Pence stated that it’s just an administrative rubber stamp and he could not do that. How this lawyer explained it to me is that what he said was what Counties are - rubber stamps - but Pence could have thrown it to the States.


20 posted on 11/29/2022 11:06:50 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy

So if there is nothing we can do and we lose Arizona, forget about 2024.


40 posted on 11/29/2022 11:35:42 AM PST by Tommy Revolts
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To: Hildy
said, "He likened it to 2020 when Trump wanted Pence to not certify and throw it back to the States. In that situation Pence could have done that."

That is true. For those that are still not clear on what happened on Jan 6. They gamed the system which Trump couldn't win. The Coup d'état took place on Jan 3 2021 giving full control of the electoral count to the speaker of the house and implemented the stacked vote on Jan 6.
The Objection made which was, "all of the known circumstances, regularly given."
Referring to covid rules which the state legislators didn't get a vote on. Then the breach took place making even less of a "regular circumstance"

The process was unacceptable. Which was brought up in an inquiry. Rep. Griffith couldn't use a point of order or question of consideration in a joint session.

1. Only people on the floor are allowed to vote LEGALLY.
2. They had 11 republicans and 11 democrats to vote legally. A total of 22 from the house 22 from the senate or 44 representatives on the floor that could vote in either legally.
3. All others where not legally allowed to vote.
4. It was up to the will of the speaker of the house (re guarding the house vote) to accept the none legal votes.
5. Once the 11 legal vote requirement was made. Trump lost even if the vote went his way.


As far as the vote goes that did take place on the objection. There were a hand full that voted which it was going to be close it might have gone Trumps way. Then the doors where unlocked and the voting was stopped. The voting restarted later. When they returned the voting went against Trump. As most everyone assumed those where Trumps people that interrupted the proceedings and voted against him.

I believe Pence was in on the game. Pence hard balled Griffith and wouldn't respond to his question.

For reference:

The transcript of Jan 6 in question:
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-167/issue-4/house-section/article/H76-4

They only allowed 11 Republicans on the floor (House speaker covid rules) thereby a quorum (12th amendment) by the states where not allow to proceed assuming it made it that far. Pence broke US code right there.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-167/issue-4/house-section

Jan 3 when they decided to let the speaker of the house take charge of the count and not by US code
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/03/congress-rules-electoral-college-count-454023

Remote voting by proxy only changes who votes not how they vote. If you can't be on the floor then someone can take your place. Which the speaker of the house can reject that person.

Many more links I put in this thread along with a conversation with someone that believed Trump lost the vote on Jan 6 fairly.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4111500/posts?page=42#42
122 posted on 11/29/2022 10:31:05 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Hildy
The way they gamed the justice system was rather creepy. No data, statistics or factual information was accepted by the courts in 2020 election.

This is the lawyer Michael Shamos whom is clearly against justice that has been winning this cases
Generally he is "Fact checking" with the election commissioner. The corrupted election commissioner says, "there was no election fraud"
case closed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_Ybs0rmLQ
124 posted on 11/29/2022 10:49:38 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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