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To: alexander_busek
True - But he is the one who started the "invading, rocket-bombing, seizing territory, and killing innocent civilians"-war.

Like we did twice in Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Syria and other places?

And, other than Afghanistan, the Russians have better reasons to have gone into Ukraine that we did in all those other places.

19 posted on 11/22/2022 3:52:37 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
True - But he is the one who started the "invading, rocket-bombing, seizing territory, and killing innocent civilians"-war.

Like we did twice in Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Syria and other places?

And, other than Afghanistan, the Russians have better reasons to have gone into Ukraine that we did in all those other places.

Better check your maps. Saddam Hussein started the war against Kuwait, which the United States later joined on Kuwait's side. Once at war, the United States and Iraq remained at war, until Saddam's removal. The war was paused by a cease fire. Do you know what a "cease fire" is?

Bin Laden started the war with the United States, which Afghanistan joined on Bin Laden's side. Technically, the second World Trade Center attack was an attack by Afghanistan against the United States. (Nations are responsible to each other for acts of war launched from their territories.) If Afghanistan had handed Bin Laden over, Afghanistan's responsibility for the attacks would have been overlooked. That's how it's done. When Afghanistan endorsed its protection of Bin Laden, Afghanistan became responsible for the World Trade center attack, under international law.

Milosevic started the war with the Kossovar Albanians. Milosevic's genocide would have been an internal matter, Serbia massacring Serbians, if he had not proposed to drive a couple million people over the borders into other countries. That made it an international matter. Several nations, including the United States, then intervened in the Kossovar's defense. The war was handled with Clintonian ineptitude, but it was Milosevic who started the war.

I'm not sure what you're referring to in Syria. The campaign against the Islamic State? (Which was part of a war started by the Islamic State.)

Also, Russia had zero legitimate reason to invade the Ukraine. President Putin was expressly trying to rebuild the empire which had been crumbling. "Moscow once ruled you" is not a legitimate reason for invading another country. (Actually, Russia had specifically obligated itself to protect the Ukraine's territorial integrity, in the deal for the Ukraine to give Russia the Soviet nuclear missiles on its territory. Of course, only a fool would expect Russia to keep its treaty obligations.)

21 posted on 11/23/2022 6:45:15 AM PST by Keb
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