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To: Magnatron; Robert DeLong

Trump did have a really big role in the underperformaing midterms: by winning the presidency mainly without and against both US and world elites, and by governing in many instances against their policies, he aroused them (and their functionaries including politicians and political machines of both US major political parties, the media, and people in all levels and types of government “service”) to greater action.

Getting the grass roots to dump Trump is a major short-term goal for the elites - “his kind must not rise again” - hence the virtually unison voice of US major media and their pundits excitedly blaming Trump for midterm underperformance (which all of them were hoping for anyway) and coining such terms as “Trump’s reverse Midas touch.”

“See, your champion has failed. Come back to us” they say.

Maybe the middle and lower classes who benefited during Trump’s term are swayed by this.

Maybe not.


120 posted on 11/14/2022 7:13:59 AM PST by Joachim
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To: Joachim
Maybe the middle and lower classes who benefited during Trump’s term are swayed by this.

This is one of Trump's true legacies -- bringing the working man into the fold from the clutches of the Democrat party. Between that and his ability to get blacks and Hispanics to abandon their plantations, he has a lot to be very proud of. Over the long haul -- if Republicans don't screw it up -- this will show the greatest benefit to the right.

It can all be for naught, though, if targeted sugar daddy policies and bamboozlement are implimented through the reelection of Biden or worse, the election of Newsom in '24.

As I said, there's a lot at stake. Trump set the ball in motion. He needs to hand off the baton and step aside to a new generation that can win. History will judge his legacy well over time -- as long as he doesn't destroy it through another campaign and defeat...

123 posted on 11/14/2022 7:26:15 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Joachim
No he did not. If the people didn't show up then they sealed their own fate.

I understand your point. But that still does not make it Trump's fault. For Trump only provided what the people had been dying for, for decades. A politician who would stand up & tell the truth, and fight for "We The People". The people responded & he was elected. The people who elected him were joined by many others to reelect him. But he was denied his second term by blatant theft, which both of should know was the reality.

However, you are in one polling place. So, while the people didn't show up in your polling place doesn't mean they didn't show up in all of the polling places. But again, Trump is not to blame for that. The elites are to blame, which includes the lords of the GOPe.

If that were truly the case, then we would have known all of the results on election night. We are now one day away of being a week beyond election day, and races still remain undecided.

What that tells me is that the same theft that took place in 2020, is taking place again in the mid-terms. Same MO is occurring. Long counts, ballots being found, only one party reaps the majority of the wins, and all of the truly critical races. Meaning they have perfected the steal somewhat from 2020.

It also tells me that a red wave did indeed occur, and that it was a large red wave, but it can be overcome when you finally know what the number you need to win, is. They are taking their time to make it less suspicious.

Both parties have their reasons for allowing the theft, once again.

The Democrats obviously want to retain the power they have, along with control of the levers of government to do whatever they desire. They may even stack the Supreme Court so that will be less of an impediment to their goals.

The Republicans want to regain control of the Republican Party, and dethrone Trump. Because there is a Uniparty structure within the two "opposition" parties, the Republicans will make that sacrifice for they still retain a modicum of power and their fleecing of the nation continues unabated. Besides that, they are confident that they can retain the vast majority of their base, because they have nowhere else to go.

Time to throw a monkey-wrench in that thought process by starting our own party and let them see our real anger at them. I was against this path, but it seems to be the only path left. We must leave in large numbers. Numbers that will make both parties begin to quake.

If we don't then there is no reason to continue fighting for this country, because the GOPe have already shown they are not willing to fight for this country, and the Democrats have shown us that without question.

Remember the definition of insanity is to keep trying to achieve a different outcome by doing the same thing over & over again & again.

Time to break the cycle, and let the chips fall where they may, I say.

If neither of you see what is going on here, then I guess it is shame on both of you. 🙂

But definitely shame on both of you if you think Trump is really to blame for these mid-term results.

Sorry, but I am at times brutally honest, for I just can't help myself when it comes to saying the truth.

Nothing personal with either of you. I'm sure you both mean well, but it's not Trump's fault. 🙂

If you want to support DeSantis, then that is what you will do regardless of what I say, but don't go justifying your decision with lies.

For that is bearing false witness, and I want to save you from continuing down that path. It's a no no. 🙂

140 posted on 11/14/2022 8:52:56 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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